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Is Jim Morrison Alive?
image Most people think the musician Jim Morrison, lead singer for the Doors, died in Paris on July 3, 1971. But Gerald Pitts says that he "discovered Jim Morrison Living on a Ranch in the Pacific Northwest in the summer of 1998." According to him, Morrison is living a quiet life as an American cowboy "away from the Hollywood scene." Even though Morrison evidently engineered an elaborate death hoax to escape publicity, he agreed to appear on film for Pitts. You can buy a copy of this film for only $24.95 (shipping is extra). Pitts' site includes a video comparing the features of Jim Morrison the fifty-something cowboy to Jim Morrison the twenty-something singer. However, no matter how many times I watch the video, I just don't see any similarity.
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Posted by The Curator on Mon Jan 03, 2005


DC aren't you within the "inner circle" either? Oh well I guess we'll just have to sit back and see what unfolds.

I find it a bit disturbing with American sites rather, that its either a question of trust or you're my enemy..Its just something that the World has to live with in the 21st Century.

I'll take a sabatical for a while now and watch the news..If Jim shows up then I'll eat my baby food and just be happy that he's still around.

If he doesn't why I'll just give up and never contribute to this site again. There is potential here for an amazing scoop..either that or the biggest scam regarding Jim Morrison. I'm really looking forward to the next few months, and , hopefully a resolution of some kind.

Cheers

Andrew
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  in  London  on  Sun Aug 30, 2009  at  05:24 PM
jlizard,

it would be cool to get an artist to introduce jim on stage or something....but...jcm? are you actually serious? why would jim want to go on stage with iggy pop or john cougar? they are lame artists compared to what jim and the doors were. jim probably despises their music if he were alive. way too poppy and melancholy. jim would want to be introduced on stage by a band with some balls. but whatever you think you can come up with to keep this discussion rolling along.
i know you have posted from indiana but just because john cougar is from seymour indiana doesn't mean he will cooperate with a local claiming that a singer who could have been dead 40 years is alive and has fooled all of america and the entire world. he would think you are crazy. i have heard john cougar is a bit prententious anyway. well enough rambling. bring forth some evidence, or bring forth this so-called "jim" fellow.
peace
the goods
Posted by the goods  in  indiana  on  Wed Sep 02, 2009  at  11:44 AM
Hey goods,
I live in "small town" Seymour so that is why I consider JCM my hopeful light source. Another tid bit is that our own Katie Stam won the Miss America pageant so it we are on the map and possibly ready for another great event. Actually probably not, we should let Ms. Stam have the spotlight on her, no wait, she has the national spotlight, right, it's MISS AMERICA so if a world class story emerges from her hometown everything's as peachy as ever? What if she's even a Morrison fan?? Or if her parents are???
JCM funds the Southern Indiana Arts Center where I like to visit, but of course he hasn't been here for years. I have spoken to the director here about communicating this to JCM but he says that he never speaks with JCM directly. This director's brother was in the band with JCM for his first 3 records.
Last w/e while visiting, the director actually asked me, "So, have you heard anything about the Jim Morrison guy". That's about as good as it's gotten so far.
Posted by JLizard  in  Seymour, IN  on  Wed Sep 02, 2009  at  08:14 PM
jlizard,

i no longer reside in seymour but i grew up there just moved to greenwood to try something different. i am now 19 years of age. i went to good ol seymour high school and graduated 2008. i am not aquainted with katie stam but i had her father keith stam as choir director during high school, he never mentioned the doors, but did mention the beatles and beach boys, so it could be possible. but good luck, mellencamp doesn't visit seymour too often if i am correct, his parents still live there right off highway 11 before you hit highway 65. best wishes
the goods
Posted by the goods  in  indiana  on  Thu Sep 03, 2009  at  12:14 AM
Hey goods,
I really doubt if her wholesome family liked the DOORS, hee hee. JCM is probably dedicated to farmers' causes so won't be able to show too much interest in this either, but right now it seems like my best shot, eh?
Posted by JLizard  in  Seymour  on  Fri Sep 04, 2009  at  09:43 PM
Hi JLizzard and the goods,

I didn't mean to interfere at that this point...but what the hell is wrong with Iggy pop? I'd have thought that he was exactly the kind of guy you needed to re-introduce Jim..he knew him didn't he? Or am I mistaken?

Jlizzard I listned to your YouTube interview..it sounded very credible, and I enjoyed listening to your voice. I absolutely think thar someone like Iggy would add weight to your cause.

I'm half convinced..I don't expect you to share your discovories with me after my negativity in the past...but if by any chance you want to keep me in the loop then my addy is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Good luck with your concert JLizzard..prove me wrong

Andrew
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  in  London  on  Sat Sep 05, 2009  at  07:39 PM
Hi Andrew!

I just wanted to say that your last post was very honorable, I really respect what your wrote. I have some great info about Bill Loyer and I will share it with all of you hopefully today. I still have not come to an absolute conclusion, but I d really like you observations.

Have a great morning!


Jagged
Posted by Jagged  on  Mon Sep 07, 2009  at  10:23 AM
Jagged,
Your morning is my night of course. Actually I've gone beyond the need for total proof. If Jim is alive I'll support all that you do.

I want you guys to succeed in your quest and rise above any negativity. Let me know when Jim (Bill) will appear and I will come and see him. It would be an awesome thing for me and countless millions of others.

Peace

Andrew
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  in  London  on  Tue Sep 08, 2009  at  07:45 PM
Jagged, by all means, let's hear what you've got...
Posted by Dennis Crane  in  Washington  on  Wed Sep 09, 2009  at  05:25 PM
I've been passionate about The Doors for decades and have been thoroughly researching everything about them since the 70's and here is what I know in 2009. Some info is old, but I have some new...

Jim's not here.

The Gerald Pitts shenannigans would probably crack him up, however. It's bs.

Jim had three children total. Two boys (Chris Bangs included). One girl.

Only Chris has been confirmed with DNA to public knowledge because he pressed the issue to an extent.

Cliff is not a son, just a wishful thinker.

The two other children are brother and sister. For whatever reason, they appear to not be seeking acknowledgement/notoriety or financial gain from the Morrison estate. I have been unable to determine if they already have some sort of quiet deal worked out with the Morrison estate?? They both really resemble Jim, especially the girl. The son is terminally ill.

Fascinating isn't it? Take it or leave it.
Posted by Listen Up in Mars on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 09:15 PM
__________________________________________________

How did you acquire this information in regard to Chris Bangs?

Please contact @ .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

JM
Posted by JM  in  Seattle, WA  on  Sat Sep 12, 2009  at  03:19 AM
Had a nice talk with David Logan to learn more about Bill Loyer the real Jim Morrison. Mars, your information may be correct on your planet but here it is wrong. Way wrong. People at the Museum of Hoaxes want evidence to back their claims to- something ya might want to consider before you post.
David and I were considering adding the following to the DEATH section in wikipedia. We would appreciate any constructive criticism...

In 1998 William J. Loyer of Eagle Point, OR revealed to his neighbor Billy Wilson that he was in fact Jim Morrison formerly of the DOORS. Wilson shared this information with David Logan and Gerald Pitts, partners in Rodeoswest Motion Pictures. Pitts was interviewed on numerous media programs including Coast to Coast AM. He formed Rodeoswest, Inc. incorporated in Oregon and included film footage and voice of the discovered Jim Morrison in his rodeo website http://www.rodeoswest.com. Videos displaying the uncanny resemblence of Bill Loyer to Jim Morrison were posted on youtube and have been viewed the world over. Long time investigative reporter Brett Hudson from Fox News candidly photographed Morrison's ranch called the JM Sanctuary but shied from interviewing the resident. It was reported in an episode of A Current Affair.

Jim Morrison has told Logan that he has come out of hiding to honor his family, friends and the many fans who he loves and who still love him. He took advantage of a near death experience that occurred in Paris by making it seem that he actually did die because he knew his rock and roll life style was truly killing him. He has made a living over the years as a Master Journeyman Brickmason. Retired now, Jim spends his time painting and writing and with his wife Marsha and their families.

In 2008 David Logan and John Ceperich who had worked with Pitts since 2006, agreed to combine efforts to demystify and bring the Jim Morrison realization forward. Logan is combining photographs, forensic evidence and his personal experiences with Jim Morrison from when he was a wrangler for the JM Sanctuary at a website called http://www.highmountainrogue.com. Ceperich has spoken to Jim's wife, a retired medical doctor from Hawaii who says that over the years attempts were made to contact Sugarman, Manzarek, Krieger and Densmore but they were all ignored. Ceperich has contacted celebrities including interviewer Gary James, Bob Proctor (Secret), Governor Charlie Crist of Florida, Krist Novoselic (Nirvana), Billy Idol, John Cougar Mellencamp and 2008 Los Angeles Music Awards winner Cliff Morrison who at one time played in a band with Krieger's son Waylan and who is the alleged son of Jim Morrison.
Posted by JLizard  in  Indiana  on  Sat Sep 12, 2009  at  07:45 PM
jlizard

that stuff would fit right on wikipedia because wikipedia is full of NON facts like those. wikipedia is no credible source to me nor should it be to anyone. it's an interesting story but without driven facts and without bill loyer's cooperation your story is going to sink.
Posted by the goods  in  indiana  on  Sun Sep 13, 2009  at  09:06 PM
Hey goods,
All things considered, I have to agree with what you say. Wikepedia is non factual, especially in regards to about everything that is has to say about Jim Morrison. Again though, Bill Loyer is my sole driving force, so yes if he says that I am doing something contrary to his wishes then I close the book on this. But so far I have heard that he appreciates what we are doing so must march forwards. The facts here are larger than life; even if it wasn't Jim Morrison it would still be a remarkable story.
Posted by JLizard  in  Indiana  on  Mon Sep 14, 2009  at  04:02 PM
I m going to quote you JLIzard "The facts here are larger than life; even if it wasn't Jim Morrison it would still be a remarkable story." I have been waiting to hear back from David, Bill, Marsha, and a few others who I am unable to mention. I have found very compeling info about Bill and Marsha and I just need their approval to publish it. Just like JLizard said, Bill's past is absolutely remarkable, if this guy isnt Jim he has definately had an epic life. Once I have permission I will post some of the info here. David if you could email me that would be great.
Posted by Jagged  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  12:10 PM
i will quote you jagged to ask a question "if this guy isn't jim he defintely had an epic life"
okay so what's with that? he claims to be jim if he is not then how could you believe him on any other account of this so called EPIC past? just wondering is all. but keep it coming i'm interested. i really am just starting to see this is going to go absolutely nowhere. people keep saying they have info and proof and have been saying it on here for months now but time and time again nobody comes forward with anything even though they say this guy bill loyer aka jim gave them permission to move forward. and another thing that's starting to itch at me is even if this is jim and word gets out whatever you write a book blah blah blah. the feds will be all over his poor ass. if it's him he committed crimes! faking your death i think is illegal maybe? but if he is jim morrison i'm sure he could get out of it rock-stars don't go down like that. he will buy his way out of it with the money the fucking doors owe him. shit what am i talking about there's no proof.
the goods
Posted by the goods  in  indiana  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  03:02 PM
Hi Goods,

Right of the top, just so you know, I have not been able to obtain fingerprints or DNA from Bill, therefore exposing him as the true Jim or a con man is still impossible. What I have so far exposes Bill from a couple years after Jim died. All the info includes his past relationships, family, residences, etc... the problem with this is that if I publish this info without consent I believe it would be an invasion of privacy. What I can tell you is that for some reason there is no record of Bill before the early 70's, there is absolutely nothing, which could just be a coincidence, or could be due to lack of record keeping. From my research it apears as though Bill just appeared out of no where. Also there are alot of bizzar coincidences throughout his life.

My biggest hang up right now is that, no matter how much evidence I come up with the only evidence that means anything is the fingerprint and DNA. I have new pictures, but they really dont mean much, in my opinion Bill doesnt look like Jim, but I could be wrong.

Just to clarify I'm not trying to prove of disprove, I m simply looking for all the evidence and then coming to a conclusion. My hope was that I'd find info from Bill's years that JIm was alive, this would prove that he's not JIm. So far I cant find any of this info, but I m still working on it.

Great question Goods!! Very constructive.

Maybe Andrew could shed some light on the questions you had about faking death being illegel etc.. and the legal ramifications that Bill may face if he infact is not Jim.

Your professional views would be greatly appreciated Andrew!

Have a great day!!!
Posted by Jagged  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  04:00 PM
Hi Jagged,

By saying "Andrew", are you referring to me? If so I would absolutely assert that in most circumstances; to feign death would be an illegal act. In "most" is the definative word.

One has to be cautious in that assertion , however, as various factors would apply (e.g indebtedness, pending unresolved legal issues etc) I would have to have a factual account of pretty much everything that happened at the time of his "demise" to make a professional judgement. (Iwant to clarify this..I'm not a Judge so I use that word as an expression only)

Now on a less formal note, the good news is that he "died" in Paris, and as a European I have way more clout there than any (or many) American Citizens ever could..this is not an Anti American slur..it is just a matter of fact.

To cut things very short..I have American legal friends who could possibly help. I have a working knowledge of U.S law, but I'd have to study the statutes etc of the State where Bill lives.

All of the above is in the spirit of me being asked a question..if you weren't referring to me then I'll just say "oops" and clam up.

I hope that you all get these issues resolved guys..I'm not knocking any of you; but I'm sure that you all know that there is only one solution to this enigma! It has just occured to me that a person may go in "absentia" on some ocasions..eg fear of death..death threats etc. In the UK you can change your name legally ..but we have a thing called "Deed Poll"...12th Centuary twaddle..I need to look up to see if you have the same facility in the USA.

Cheers all..sleep well!

Andrew
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  in  London, England  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  07:09 PM
Thanks Andrew!!!

Yes I meant you, thanks for the answer it's greatly appreciated.
Posted by Jagged  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  11:05 PM
Goods,

I'm only just coming round to your way of thinking, so keep your enthusiam going until you know for sure what is what.

If Bill isn't Jim then I expect him to cease communication with all of you if he fears that his ruse will be exposed. This is normal behaviour; but the same could be said for a person who wanted to retire into private life, then rethinking that and getting "cold feet" and wanting to retreat back into annonimity..Fickle behaviour is well documented in the history of celebrity.

JLiz believes this mans story, so I'll maintain my open mind until the truth comes out. If it turns out that he isn't the "man"..I won't crow about it; I'll just be rather sad that you guys have put in so much work..anyway here's hoping.

Goodnight guys..its late here now and I must be up at six...what a life!!

Andrew
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  in  London  on  Wed Sep 16, 2009  at  06:15 PM
Hi Andrew,
I testify to you in a court of law that it is Jim Morrison. Will the people who have amassed amazing fortunes by saying that Jim is dead testify in a court of law as well?
Posted by JLizard  in  USA  on  Wed Sep 16, 2009  at  09:41 PM
well i will not testify in a court of law my friend, but i'm just saying without dna matches there is no proving. bring so called jim to a court of law and have it testified or whatever. then we shall see. not saying you are wrong, just saying we shall see.
the goods
Posted by the goods  in  indiana  on  Thu Sep 17, 2009  at  02:18 AM
Goods,
If I had a "we shall see" attitude none of this would have ever gotten accomplished. I've been working my tail off for over 3 years, spending my hard earned money and fighting tooth and nail for every millimeter of ground I get. Some may wear their TEAM DNA shirts and sit in the bleachers but those of us who have made it happen are standing up to very powerful "cool" people and doing what we think it takes.
Posted by JLizard  on  Thu Sep 17, 2009  at  06:24 AM
Great reply Jlizard!! I'd really like to talk to you, I havent heard back from David in a while, I believe I can contact you through youtube I'll try to message you my email.

Have a great day!!!
Posted by Jagged  on  Thu Sep 17, 2009  at  10:44 AM
great passion jlizard! i see you believe this is jim morrison. hey maybe i'd change my mind of needing dna evidence if i spoke with the man like you but i haven't. not saying he's not jim my friend nor was i attacking you. you had said to andrew previously that you would testify in a court of law that this is jim morrison. i was simply saying that dna would need to be done, bill(jim) would have to be 110% cooperative. i see you've put hard work in your research and that's cool. nor am i doubting any of your knowledge and belief that it is jim. i'm just saying me as a person cannot accept that he is jim morrison until forensics are done and his dna is a match. but i am intrigued by your efforts man! continue for sure!
the goods
Posted by the goods  in  indiana  on  Thu Sep 17, 2009  at  02:48 PM
I thought you might find this link interesting. I tried to add him but he has not approved me yet. It looks like our Bill/Jim

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=bill+loyer&init=quick#/profile.php?id=100000298697499&ref=search&sid=782625462.3363880099..1
Posted by Jomo  on  Fri Sep 18, 2009  at  11:29 AM
I think that you all have entirely to much time on your hands and should look for something better to do with your lives.
Posted by John Ceprich's Fat Stomache  in  IN  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  02:40 AM
I just got Jim Morrison face tattooed on my left testicle and Bill Loyer's face on my right testicle. And when you push the sac skin together it matches perfectly. For $9.99 I will ship you a video of Bill's face nut morphing into Jim proving once and for all that Bill is Jim and that I am not only very fat and unattractive, but also crazy. Let me know how many copyies of my "Sac of Proof" video you need. Leave you address and billing info on this board so I can get your copy in the mail.

John Ceprich
Posted by JLizzard  in  IN  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  02:50 AM
Has the FACEBOOK Bill/Jim accepted anyone yet? He still hasnt approved me, his profile pic sure looks interesting, it looks retro. Kind of looks like Jim.
Posted by Jomo  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  12:13 PM
Jim Morrison Lives at:
4221 Elm Street
East Chicago, Indiana 46312

His email address is:
Email .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

And you can call him at:
Phone (219) 397-1558

Or catch him at work:

City of East Chicago Water Plant
3303 Aldus Street
East Chicago, Indiana, 46312
Telephone: 219-391-8423
Posted by The Purveyor  in  Alcatraz, San Francisco Bay, CA  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  03:56 PM
JLizzard,

It's a fact of life and Law, that the very few people who gain out of a contentious litigation are the ones that who least deserve it. In that respect I mean folk like me, who works for a sum of money (I have to do this to feed my family and pay my mortgage).And folk like JLizzard who works for nothing other than a belief.

I don't at this point need JLizzard to prove anything to me, as at this moment in time; I think that he is on the right track.

I fully admit that I was and still retain a sceptical point of view..JLiz knows this, as we chat regularly; however, I will be the first to applaude his earth shattering news in a few months. Personally I can't wait for it.

All you folk out there..Listen to JLizzard..you may not agree; but I believe him to be an honest lad..and probably the most honest reprasentative of Jim Morrisom alive.

Andrew

Andrew
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  in  London, England  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  07:20 PM
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