Cheerleader Toss

Absosmurfly fake. Ain't it amazing that all of the frames are nice and crisp EXCEPT when her head is going through the rim; except some of the picture of the cheerleader is very clear. Poor photoshop job.

i am a cheerleader and it is defintly possible for someone to do that.have any of you EVER been to a cheerleading competition?they do some crazy things and this video is like nothing compared to competiton...so yeah.its real.

Kayla said:

"i am a cheerleader and it is defintly possible for someone to do that.have any of you EVER been to a cheerleading competition?they do some crazy things and this video is like nothing compared to competiton...so yeah.its real."

Kayla, your logic is flawed. The fact that you have seen some interesting and/or dangerous things done during a cheerleading competition does NOT prove that THIS particular thing WAS done as it appears.

Have you ever seen someone do, in real life, what seems to be happening in this video? Even that wouldn't prove that it happened for real in the video, but it would prove that it COULD have happened.

This is why I strongly think that logic and critical thinking (along with media literacy) need to be taught in school.

The clip is great, very funny and entertaining but I want to explain a few things that many of you may not know. This was shot most likely on digital video then was manipulated in one or more of various applications such as After Effects, Shake or Maya. The final video that you see is a highly compressed version of the original, not to mention that it is playing as a Flash movie (prohibits saving) as opposed to playing in QuickTime. Without a doubt, this is a fake. The average person that may come across this video would be amazed at what can be done with computers.

Ok I've watched this bad boy a few times... True or fake? Here's my take...

Can this be done? You bet. Some of the more adept and light cheerleaders are able to flip on top of high targets (2 man high pyramids, etc.)

A hoop is just another target - IF you can get high enough and if the guys are the right distance... The girl looks up to see if she is far enough ahead of the basket because she knows that's her target. Her doubt is if the guys can boost her that high, not if she can hit the target.

Fact is, 4 guys who are not basketball players are able to boost an even tinier girl (she is very small) up high enough to do the flip, so long as she sets herself up to basically do a dismount on the hoop.

The physics of the piece is flawless, except for two things... One, I realized she clamps her arms down to slow her spin - but that was the real danger. I entirely expected to see her lose a finger... and yes, BTW that gets rid of the entire 'she hit the net on the way down' thing... She is looking at her feet and the target, not the left to 'tap' the basket... pulling the net at that speed is like grabbing a tree branch whie riding in a school bus... good way to dislocate something...

Dollars to donuts judging by her physical conditioning she's a stellar high dive as well. That plus cheerleading skill would make it entirely possible that she'd be able to straighten out for a straight-through...

The odds of a gymnast being able to do all of the right things on a fake is unlikely. If they know they are not going through a hoop, but just trying to make it 'look' like it, they would not be careful enough to get everything right. A whole lot more things happen when you know you could really get hurt... although if worse came to worse, she'd probably just try to land on the spring base and hope it didn't break...

And yeah, the one thing that is not fake is that she is HOT.

Fake? tough call... depends on what it's shot with... off the cuff, I noticed double rims in a few frames... trouble is, if this thing was shot with a MiniDV (which I believe it was, considering the amount of light in the frame with zoom) then fast movement of the camera will pick up the vibrations of the gym lights (try taking a digital picture of something lit up by flourescent light while moving the camera to smear the image and you will see what I mean..)

A MiniDV would also explain the ability to focus on the part of her body not swinging (torso, center of weight) vs the legs which are basically what is spinning her around. They smear the legs - you don't need PS to do that...

I'd love to hear the story behind this footage, and also find out if these folks got paid well for it...

If you stop the frames by right clicking in the picture and then clicking on "forward" or "back", you can call the frame where her feet seem to touch the top of the hoop frame 1. Now forward to frames 6 and 7.
In frame 6 you can see that the net is pushed to the right and extends down below her knees. In frame 7 look at where her left hand is. It would have to be sticking thru the netting the way I see it. That would have been catastrophic!

They should have had her hold her arms over her head if real or fake. I think I did see a reflection in the glass and I can't see any indication that see is not passing thru the hoop except for the hand position. Very impressive. Fake.

I think all you have to do is watch the guys at the beginning of the video. They continually look up, like they're judging the distance to the hoop..."aiming", if you will.

Follow their sight lines, though. They're all looking at least 5 feet to the left of where the basket actually is.

Good video editing...but thats all.

OK, I have taught cheerleading for twenty years and cheered on a national championship college team.

This is fake.

For those of you cheerleaders out there that want to somehow think this is real just because it is "cool", think about it.

You would have to:
a) stop your rotation from the tuck, would would be a pretty impressive slap in the face to the laws of physics, or
b) you would have to time your rotation like that of a pole vaulter or high jumper going over a bar so that your feet, legs, hips, torso, shoulders and head would rotate through the hoop. One problem with that. You get one shot. Either you make it, and get this cool video or you miss it and tear up your face so bad you wouldn't be recognizeable. Don't forget.. if you over rotate, you're going to have a 10-gauge wire hoop ramming itself through the back of your head. Woops, that didn't work... next girl?

It's a cool video that got people talking. But don't believe for a minute that it's real.

This was filmed at the univeristy of st thomas in saint paul, they were on the radio the other morning talking about this and claim that its legit. For whatever thats worth - the authors are claiming its real.

You can see her aiming her feet for the basket, there is an obvious reflection of her shoes, then her legs, then her shorts and body as she passes the glass; the net follows her body to the right and her head to the left as she passes through; and the rim moves when her head hits it. If that's fake, I'll be very surprised.

Fake, no doubt about it.

Look at how you can go frame to frmae without any blur up until the frames which would prove
if this was fake or not...once she gets over the
goal the frames go from every 10th of a second to
a full second or higher! Obviously they were trying to hide something. You can also see that
as her butt hits the rim, both of her hands are outside of the rim and would never be able to get back in at that speed...both of her arms would have been broken. What scares me is that young cheerleaders will see this, think it can be done, and get hurt or worse trying to attempt it.

Well, as a former male cheerleader, I think it's a fake. Although, I do have to take issue with whoever said the guys would have to be closer to the camera to make it look like they threw her that high. Our squad has thrown girls higher than that; it's definitely possible to get a girl 15, maybe even 20 feet in the air with strong enough guys and a good enough girl. Anyway, I tend to think it's fake because:

1. No guys would be that irresponsible to put her at such risk

2. If she's anything like our girls, no way in hell she'd willingly try this. We had enough trouble getting them to leave the ground for basic stunts, they were so lazy...

Oh, and whoever said those guys are gay, YOU'RE AN IDIOT. How many times have you seen football players slap each others' asses? I agree, the guys here we a little over the top, but I think it was just all part of the act, the big celebration. After cheering 6 years, I think I've met 1 gay cheerleader, ever - most guys get into cheering for the girls, then get hooked on the stunting. I know I did.

"look at where her left hand is. It would have to be sticking thru the netting the way I see it."

Exactly. I didn't believe it when I saw it but I'm a Flash designer, I have extracted every frame with a special program. When you look frame by frame, her hands (especially the left) would have went through the holes in the net. At the angle she was falling and the way her hands are pointing, it's impossible that they would have passed through. THAT is a fact. NOT an opinion. It's right there in the frames. They should have had her hands straight up above her head. In my OPINION, the over-acting and script at the beginning of the short clip was pretty bad. They are acting as if they just decided to do all this in a few seconds of standing near a basket.

Saying it isn't real because of the way the net is bouncing or that someone wouldn't have thought about the physics of how to make it bounce in the right directions is hilarious. There are digital film students and hobbies going on with all kind of great looking stuff. I've seen it. It's just not your world. If you took this thread to the right forum, you would get a few different ways to do it. The software to set up something like this is getting cheaper and cheaper to do right at home. It's a very cool clip though. I'm just confused about why everyone would even question whether it could be done, with todays computer programs. I guess poeple here just haven't played with that sort of thing. Everyone just dubs things "photoshop". Has anyone here been to the movies lately? Look what can be done. ?? It doesn't take thousands and thousands of dollars to pull this off.

The reflection can be put anywhere you want. In fact, the old-school blue screen and lighting problems are gone. Really, they didn't even have to be at the basketball court.

Tony, that's some load of work you've put into this. I'm inclined to believe you when you say that it's fake.

First off, a commercial venture (or any group of reasonably intelligent people) would be VERY concerned about the potential liability if the girl got injured (the likelihood of which is high) on their behalf.

Let's look at this objectively: You're a company that wants an interesting piece of video. You can either throw a girl up in the air and pray that she goes through the hoop with no injury OR you can simply do what Tony is suggesting and FAKE THE DAMN THING!

Remember, all you really care about is the resulting video and the reaction it provokes. Why would you NOT fake it?

I have been a cheerleader in High School and for an elite team. There is no way that she could have made it through that net! If they threw her a few inches back she could have severely hurt herself or even died! And when a flyer comes down she has to open her arms to catch her bases and she open her arm

or it could be real and you guys need to all shut up

Wow, another convincing argument for the 'real' side.

:lol:

Yeah, we should shut up. Obviously, Thomas is a deep thinker and really focused on the details. His facts are obvious. I have no common sense.

Thanks for your perceptive view Thomas. Next time, I will shut up. With your wisdom you have taught me a lesson, stimulated my mind, and raised my awareness.

I apologize for my existence. Please, please accept.

Ive seen this movie a couple of times even had a slightly higer res version of it.

Im 6'2 and weigh 64 KGs (Im an Aussie) which equates to around 140 pounds. I was a gymnast for 7+ years and moved from gymnastics to highjump and basketball when I got to tall and my skinny frame was never getting any bigger.

The quality is niether here nor there in my opinion because most crazy videos on the net are in low quality to help them spread quickly (thats not to say low quality doesnt help the fake rumours)

This is something I would perhaps try I remember setting up high jump matts and mini tramps and messing around like the guys in the half time slam dunk competions all the time in school. (those guys dive head first through the hoop all the time)

I would be worried that one of my fingers would catch on the net and her toes are nearly pointed enough to gaurentee a nice smooth entry and exit from the net. Her overall rotation path seems a little strange for me I would expect her to pop out of that tuck much earlier and pin drop through the hoop. If you also look at the frame before she is caught her arms are not by her sides they are outstretched and with the net allready pushed right its almost certain that her fingers would be caught by the net.

Hands up next time and a less convincing swish noise would help a basketball swish noise lasts for that long and she travels through the net for longer than a basketball.

I was still very impressed by it, just seems like its either a reasonable fake. or a very very lucky try at something a little stupid.

I the final thing that told me it was fake was she didnt seem at all impressed with her efforts the head grab seems very on cue to me if that was me i would be jumping around like an idiot.

Still very funny 😊

A regulation basketball hoop is wide enough for two basketballs to pass through side by side, and that girl is a typically petite cheerleader. A topnotch college squad is precise enough to know the path of the cheerleader in the air. I'm sure they've run this stunt without the basketball hoop so many times, adding the basketball hoop was just a matter of choosing a precise starting point.

You are pretty ignorant. A regulation basketball hoop is 18" in diameter. A regulation basketball is 9 7/16" in diameter. There is NO way two basketballs can pass through side by side when fully inflated.

okay enough clap trap - here is my expert Australian opinion of this video.

The dude slapping the other guy's butt is definitely genuine. I have watched this over and over until my eyes bled and I can confirm that he laid one impressive smackdown on that guy's left butt cheek. I cannot and will not make any judgement upon his sexuality, although I am leaning towards him betting for the gay population as I humbly believe it was a pre-meditated action... especially considering the medium-to-large sized grin on his face.

However - I have grave concerns over the validity of the sound eminating from the slap in question. It sounds to me far too mechanical... nothing even close to the sound of a bare hand against a well-fed buttock.

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And so ends my argument. This video is clearly fake. If only they took due care when adding their shoddy special effects... clearly they're from Jean-Claude Van Damme's ex-special effects team.

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My mum could edit a better video using MS Paint.

I played the vid in slow motion and her head appears to wack the hoop.

Jason

Anyone know where this video is now?

as a cheerleader i can say that the flier could so fit through there and it might be fake but ya'all should stop acting so cool like you know everything! I think its real and super sweet! and about "so fake, her head would have gone through the rim..." um unless is HIT the rim and she held her head becuase it hurt...oh wait she did do that!...so eat it!

I don't think it's a big deal that it's fake, but I think it has to be fake. Even given that somebody could do it, that it could have happened, there's no way Nokia and Best Buy would be willing to buy into the kind of PR nightmare you'd have on your hands when a young, attractive cheerleader spends the rest of her life steering a wheelchair by breathing through a tube, all because she whacked the back of her neck on a basketball hoop.

I think it's cool to see. And the flash game on their site is fun. Still, I'm surprised they're airing the video. Because some high school kid is gonna try this and spend her life eating through a tube and breathing with a machine and Nokia and Best Buy are going to foot the bill.

Jason-

What website did you find the flash game at? I can't seem to find it anymore. Every time I go to http://www.pumpupthemovie.com, my IE browser can't find the web-page anymore. Anyone else having this problem?

Nevermind, all...just got it.

Why doesn't anyone look at the camera with amazement ensuring the camera guy caught the entire act? Not once during their celebration did anyone even glance at the camera?

I admit its cool and thats part of the reason i think that its real but i also believe its real because as she passes through the net it sways from her movement, you could ananlyze it down to the "t" or just admit its definetly real.

I have played basketball since i was in the 5th grade and know how big the rim is and the reaction of a net for a ball to pass through. I have seen it countless times in my day. Any one who thinks that this video is fake is completely wrong. watch the clip carefully you'll see how the net moves with her body and how the after shock of the net moving reacts to an object of her size after she passes through it. I am 6'4 and a little less than 200 pounds and i have pulled myself up through a rim before and I know if I can fit through it than a lot of girls could.

Its phillip again who posted the last message. To those who think it is too dangerous of a stunt to be performed. Your right but these people probably practiced for a long time using something has round as the rim. Yes it is dangerous but they did it it is no illusion.

Of course this is possible. It either happened or it didn't. Simple as that.

if you watch it slowly you can see that she goes in front of the rim, and they animate it so the net moves and add sound. watch her closely and you can see she goes in front.

This is a fake. Not that its impossible to do, it just happens to be a fake.. If you watch frame by frame you will notice that the back of her head actually goes further than the rim itself... if there really was a rim there, it would have definitely HURT! But there wasnt a rim when they did it, they just superposed it later and animated the net, easy stuff to do. Plus the cameraman just stares and says nothing??? Hum seems weird to me for a little homevideo!! If i were filming I would be yelling something like "holly fucking shit!!!"

plus the girl is like "are you sure?" and nevertheless does it a couple seconds later!! If She had a doubt i dont think she would have risked it!

Didn't anyone notice in the frame by frame that her left hand is outside the hoop? A fake for sure... also... her hands didn't get caught in the net... they should have been because they were not tight at her side but her fingers were 'out' to the side.

SO FAKE AL.

Another case solved by INSPECTOR HANDER!

It makes me laugh, some of the arguments for the "real" case on this one, Honestly i'd never let anyone throw me through a basketball hoop, no matter how big it is. I worry when i toss my flyers without precision tricks in the air, she comes down on an angle, kinda like a swing, and i don't think there's any way she'd be able to do that coming through a hoop. My 2 cents worth: Fake.

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It looks good! But slowed down, her left hand just could not fit. The weave and shape of a net is the same as a chinese finger trap. As she is passing through the net, it is stretching to get longer, yet her left hand is completely poking out. 40+ kg's of free falling weight passing through a net with a hand sticking out like that would certainly cause the hand to react in some way. I would like to believe this is real, but that left hand leaves great reservations.

Can we get any more info on this University of St Thomas stuff? Who is this girl? Where are these people from? Does anyone know anything more about these people that did this or that radio interview?

Yea listen Craig! I dont know about you but i think your a pretty big scum bag! If you're not in jail already, you should because just by reading what you said you sound like trash to me. If I was a police officer i'd take one look at you and be like yup! look at this guy! definatly should go to jail. He looks like he just walked out of a trash can!

do you know any websites with cheerleading show

i think that his is so real. if you look closely and you kee clicking on the pause button to pause it, you can actually see the girls foot gowing through it. i am also a cheerleader, and it definantly would be possible for someone as tiny as she is to go through a basketball net. Also, once she gets out of their hands, she is holding her head which ment that she banged her hea. and, if you watch the clip over and over,you could see that while she is going through the net, she does hit her head.

it's fake fake fake!! 😛

you can tell by everyone's reactions that it's an obvious setup!!

It's real no problem. I was cheerleader for years and have seen girls tiny enough to do this so it's very possible. She porbablly did knock her head on the way down because of her angle. No trickery here... speaking from actual experience tossing people into the air 😛

PS yes it was irresponsible and reckless but not impossible fellow cheerleaders who posted. They took the risk though and now it's online entertainment 😛 I was a base for girl who when you spotted her waist you fingers tips almost touched she was so frail. I also work at gym where I have to move basketball hoops all of the time (we have a removeable one that attaches to the existing hoop to lower it for little kids)... they are actually alot lareger than they appear

the issue here is not whether or not she could fit through the hoop.. but the accuracy of the toss.
and yes, back-tuck basket tosses can reach that height..

but the risk? if the flyer is an inch off or a finger is sticking out.. that's it.

there's no way

It's totally fake!


The swish sound it makes only happens if the net is rubbing against something hard like a basketball. Second, this kind of sound represents nothing but net, she's holding her head, I didn't hear the sound of her head hitting the rim.

If you look at the descent rate when she comes down before entry (Normal rate) and then entry (it's fast).

If you do it frame by frame and you look at the contrast level of the girl, before, during and then after you'll notice a major shift.

If you look at the placement of her hands, let me tell you finger+net means lots of pain.

There are more clues.

if you go to this site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcD8ExEKxcg
and look at it on the second time they show it in slow motion and freeze it at 19 seconds, the hoop isn't there at all, and her stomach is bent so that her back is pointing out, which would touch the rim!
so this is just a stupid video editor's video

and what kind of a girl would risk her life just for a video?

:coolsmirk: Looks like a trick to me

haha - I can't believe people are still posting to this board!! i'm now willing to put money on that it's a fake. show me the money people!! $$ :D $$