Cheerleader Toss

The cheerleader goes up, and comes down exactly through the basketball hoop. It seems like there has to be a trick to it somehow, though I can't figure out what the trick might be. As I watched the movie clip, I kept thinking 'what if her foot got caught in the net'. At the very least the net must be rigged so that it would rip away from the hoop if her foot were to catch it.


Posted on Fri Dec 24, 2004


Absosmurfly fake. Ain't it amazing that all of the frames are nice and crisp EXCEPT when her head is going through the rim; except some of the picture of the cheerleader is very clear. Poor photoshop job.
Posted by Saint Cad  on  Fri Jan 21, 2005  at  03:09 AM
i am a cheerleader and it is defintly possible for someone to do that.have any of you EVER been to a cheerleading competition?they do some crazy things and this video is like nothing compared to yeah.its real.
Posted by Kayla  in  michigan  on  Sun Jan 23, 2005  at  05:27 PM
Kayla said:

"i am a cheerleader and it is defintly possible for someone to do that.have any of you EVER been to a cheerleading competition?they do some crazy things and this video is like nothing compared to yeah.its real."

Kayla, your logic is flawed. The fact that you have seen some interesting and/or dangerous things done during a cheerleading competition does NOT prove that THIS particular thing WAS done as it appears.

Have you ever seen someone do, in real life, what seems to be happening in this video? Even that wouldn't prove that it happened for real in the video, but it would prove that it COULD have happened.

This is why I strongly think that logic and critical thinking (along with media literacy) need to be taught in school.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sun Jan 23, 2005  at  09:39 PM
The clip is great, very funny and entertaining but I want to explain a few things that many of you may not know. This was shot most likely on digital video then was manipulated in one or more of various applications such as After Effects, Shake or Maya. The final video that you see is a highly compressed version of the original, not to mention that it is playing as a Flash movie (prohibits saving) as opposed to playing in QuickTime. Without a doubt, this is a fake. The average person that may come across this video would be amazed at what can be done with computers.
Posted by Chip  in  San Diego  on  Tue Jan 25, 2005  at  12:10 AM
Ok I've watched this bad boy a few times... True or fake? Here's my take...

Can this be done? You bet. Some of the more adept and light cheerleaders are able to flip on top of high targets (2 man high pyramids, etc.)

A hoop is just another target - IF you can get high enough and if the guys are the right distance... The girl looks up to see if she is far enough ahead of the basket because she knows that's her target. Her doubt is if the guys can boost her that high, not if she can hit the target.

Fact is, 4 guys who are not basketball players are able to boost an even tinier girl (she is very small) up high enough to do the flip, so long as she sets herself up to basically do a dismount on the hoop.

The physics of the piece is flawless, except for two things... One, I realized she clamps her arms down to slow her spin - but that was the real danger. I entirely expected to see her lose a finger... and yes, BTW that gets rid of the entire 'she hit the net on the way down' thing... She is looking at her feet and the target, not the left to 'tap' the basket... pulling the net at that speed is like grabbing a tree branch whie riding in a school bus... good way to dislocate something...

Dollars to donuts judging by her physical conditioning she's a stellar high dive as well. That plus cheerleading skill would make it entirely possible that she'd be able to straighten out for a straight-through...

The odds of a gymnast being able to do all of the right things on a fake is unlikely. If they know they are not going through a hoop, but just trying to make it 'look' like it, they would not be careful enough to get everything right. A whole lot more things happen when you know you could really get hurt... although if worse came to worse, she'd probably just try to land on the spring base and hope it didn't break...

And yeah, the one thing that is not fake is that she is HOT.

Fake? tough call... depends on what it's shot with... off the cuff, I noticed double rims in a few frames... trouble is, if this thing was shot with a MiniDV (which I believe it was, considering the amount of light in the frame with zoom) then fast movement of the camera will pick up the vibrations of the gym lights (try taking a digital picture of something lit up by flourescent light while moving the camera to smear the image and you will see what I mean..)

A MiniDV would also explain the ability to focus on the part of her body not swinging (torso, center of weight) vs the legs which are basically what is spinning her around. They smear the legs - you don't need PS to do that...

I'd love to hear the story behind this footage, and also find out if these folks got paid well for it...
Posted by J.Go  in  USA  on  Sun Feb 06, 2005  at  03:46 PM
If you stop the frames by right clicking in the picture and then clicking on "forward" or "back", you can call the frame where her feet seem to touch the top of the hoop frame 1. Now forward to frames 6 and 7.
In frame 6 you can see that the net is pushed to the right and extends down below her knees. In frame 7 look at where her left hand is. It would have to be sticking thru the netting the way I see it. That would have been catastrophic!

They should have had her hold her arms over her head if real or fake. I think I did see a reflection in the glass and I can't see any indication that see is not passing thru the hoop except for the hand position. Very impressive. Fake.
Posted by Jim  in  Michigan  on  Mon Feb 07, 2005  at  10:05 AM
I think all you have to do is watch the guys at the beginning of the video. They continually look up, like they're judging the distance to the hoop..."aiming", if you will.

Follow their sight lines, though. They're all looking at least 5 feet to the left of where the basket actually is.

Good video editing...but thats all.
Posted by Greg  on  Thu Feb 10, 2005  at  06:58 AM
OK, I have taught cheerleading for twenty years and cheered on a national championship college team.

This is fake.

For those of you cheerleaders out there that want to somehow think this is real just because it is "cool", think about it.

You would have to:
a) stop your rotation from the tuck, would would be a pretty impressive slap in the face to the laws of physics, or
b) you would have to time your rotation like that of a pole vaulter or high jumper going over a bar so that your feet, legs, hips, torso, shoulders and head would rotate through the hoop. One problem with that. You get one shot. Either you make it, and get this cool video or you miss it and tear up your face so bad you wouldn't be recognizeable. Don't forget.. if you over rotate, you're going to have a 10-gauge wire hoop ramming itself through the back of your head. Woops, that didn't work... next girl?

It's a cool video that got people talking. But don't believe for a minute that it's real.
Posted by Jim L  in  Memphis, TN  on  Thu Feb 10, 2005  at  12:50 PM
This was filmed at the univeristy of st thomas in saint paul, they were on the radio the other morning talking about this and claim that its legit. For whatever thats worth - the authors are claiming its real.
Posted by john  in  iwoa  on  Sat Feb 19, 2005  at  10:22 AM
You can see her aiming her feet for the basket, there is an obvious reflection of her shoes, then her legs, then her shorts and body as she passes the glass; the net follows her body to the right and her head to the left as she passes through; and the rim moves when her head hits it. If that's fake, I'll be very surprised.
Posted by Clint  on  Wed Mar 02, 2005  at  10:29 PM
Fake, no doubt about it.

Look at how you can go frame to frmae without any blur up until the frames which would prove
if this was fake or not...once she gets over the
goal the frames go from every 10th of a second to
a full second or higher! Obviously they were trying to hide something. You can also see that
as her butt hits the rim, both of her hands are outside of the rim and would never be able to get back in at that speed...both of her arms would have been broken. What scares me is that young cheerleaders will see this, think it can be done, and get hurt or worse trying to attempt it.
Posted by Dracula  on  Mon Mar 07, 2005  at  10:16 PM
Well, as a former male cheerleader, I think it's a fake. Although, I do have to take issue with whoever said the guys would have to be closer to the camera to make it look like they threw her that high. Our squad has thrown girls higher than that; it's definitely possible to get a girl 15, maybe even 20 feet in the air with strong enough guys and a good enough girl. Anyway, I tend to think it's fake because:

1. No guys would be that irresponsible to put her at such risk

2. If she's anything like our girls, no way in hell she'd willingly try this. We had enough trouble getting them to leave the ground for basic stunts, they were so lazy...

Oh, and whoever said those guys are gay, YOU'RE AN IDIOT. How many times have you seen football players slap each others' asses? I agree, the guys here we a little over the top, but I think it was just all part of the act, the big celebration. After cheering 6 years, I think I've met 1 gay cheerleader, ever - most guys get into cheering for the girls, then get hooked on the stunting. I know I did.
Posted by mike  on  Fri Mar 25, 2005  at  10:36 PM
"look at where her left hand is. It would have to be sticking thru the netting the way I see it."

Exactly. I didn't believe it when I saw it but I'm a Flash designer, I have extracted every frame with a special program. When you look frame by frame, her hands (especially the left) would have went through the holes in the net. At the angle she was falling and the way her hands are pointing, it's impossible that they would have passed through. THAT is a fact. NOT an opinion. It's right there in the frames. They should have had her hands straight up above her head. In my OPINION, the over-acting and script at the beginning of the short clip was pretty bad. They are acting as if they just decided to do all this in a few seconds of standing near a basket.

Saying it isn't real because of the way the net is bouncing or that someone wouldn't have thought about the physics of how to make it bounce in the right directions is hilarious. There are digital film students and hobbies going on with all kind of great looking stuff. I've seen it. It's just not your world. If you took this thread to the right forum, you would get a few different ways to do it. The software to set up something like this is getting cheaper and cheaper to do right at home. It's a very cool clip though. I'm just confused about why everyone would even question whether it could be done, with todays computer programs. I guess poeple here just haven't played with that sort of thing. Everyone just dubs things "photoshop". Has anyone here been to the movies lately? Look what can be done. ?? It doesn't take thousands and thousands of dollars to pull this off.

The reflection can be put anywhere you want. In fact, the old-school blue screen and lighting problems are gone. Really, they didn't even have to be at the basketball court.
Posted by Tony  on  Thu Mar 31, 2005  at  12:06 AM
Tony, that's some load of work you've put into this. I'm inclined to believe you when you say that it's fake.

First off, a commercial venture (or any group of reasonably intelligent people) would be VERY concerned about the potential liability if the girl got injured (the likelihood of which is high) on their behalf.

Let's look at this objectively: You're a company that wants an interesting piece of video. You can either throw a girl up in the air and pray that she goes through the hoop with no injury OR you can simply do what Tony is suggesting and FAKE THE DAMN THING!

Remember, all you really care about is the resulting video and the reaction it provokes. Why would you NOT fake it?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Mar 31, 2005  at  12:16 AM
I have been a cheerleader in High School and for an elite team. There is no way that she could have made it through that net! If they threw her a few inches back she could have severely hurt herself or even died! And when a flyer comes down she has to open her arms to catch her bases and she open her arm
Posted by Rudy  on  Fri Apr 01, 2005  at  03:36 PM
or it could be real and you guys need to all shut up
Posted by thomas  on  Wed Apr 06, 2005  at  06:21 PM
Wow, another convincing argument for the 'real' side.

Posted by Rod  in  the land of smarties.  on  Wed Apr 06, 2005  at  06:37 PM
Yeah, we should shut up. Obviously, Thomas is a deep thinker and really focused on the details. His facts are obvious. I have no common sense.

Thanks for your perceptive view Thomas. Next time, I will shut up. With your wisdom you have taught me a lesson, stimulated my mind, and raised my awareness.

I apologize for my existence. Please, please accept.
Posted by Tony  on  Fri Apr 08, 2005  at  05:23 PM
Ive seen this movie a couple of times even had a slightly higer res version of it.

Im 6'2 and weigh 64 KGs (Im an Aussie) which equates to around 140 pounds. I was a gymnast for 7+ years and moved from gymnastics to highjump and basketball when I got to tall and my skinny frame was never getting any bigger.

The quality is niether here nor there in my opinion because most crazy videos on the net are in low quality to help them spread quickly (thats not to say low quality doesnt help the fake rumours)

This is something I would perhaps try I remember setting up high jump matts and mini tramps and messing around like the guys in the half time slam dunk competions all the time in school. (those guys dive head first through the hoop all the time)

I would be worried that one of my fingers would catch on the net and her toes are nearly pointed enough to gaurentee a nice smooth entry and exit from the net. Her overall rotation path seems a little strange for me I would expect her to pop out of that tuck much earlier and pin drop through the hoop. If you also look at the frame before she is caught her arms are not by her sides they are outstretched and with the net allready pushed right its almost certain that her fingers would be caught by the net.

Hands up next time and a less convincing swish noise would help a basketball swish noise lasts for that long and she travels through the net for longer than a basketball.

I was still very impressed by it, just seems like its either a reasonable fake. or a very very lucky try at something a little stupid.

I the final thing that told me it was fake was she didnt seem at all impressed with her efforts the head grab seems very on cue to me if that was me i would be jumping around like an idiot.

Still very funny smile
Posted by Jason  on  Fri Apr 08, 2005  at  09:03 PM
A regulation basketball hoop is wide enough for two basketballs to pass through side by side, and that girl is a typically petite cheerleader. A topnotch college squad is precise enough to know the path of the cheerleader in the air. I'm sure they've run this stunt without the basketball hoop so many times, adding the basketball hoop was just a matter of choosing a precise starting point.
Posted by basketballfan  on  Mon Apr 11, 2005  at  09:31 PM
You are pretty ignorant. A regulation basketball hoop is 18" in diameter. A regulation basketball is 9 7/16" in diameter. There is NO way two basketballs can pass through side by side when fully inflated.
Posted by Craig  on  Tue Apr 12, 2005  at  06:19 AM
okay enough clap trap - here is my expert Australian opinion of this video.

The dude slapping the other guy's butt is definitely genuine. I have watched this over and over until my eyes bled and I can confirm that he laid one impressive smackdown on that guy's left butt cheek. I cannot and will not make any judgement upon his sexuality, although I am leaning towards him betting for the gay population as I humbly believe it was a pre-meditated action... especially considering the medium-to-large sized grin on his face.

However - I have grave concerns over the validity of the sound eminating from the slap in question. It sounds to me far too mechanical... nothing even close to the sound of a bare hand against a well-fed buttock.


And so ends my argument. This video is clearly fake. If only they took due care when adding their shoddy special effects... clearly they're from Jean-Claude Van Damme's ex-special effects team.

The verdict: The editors may find this link helpful:

My mum could edit a better video using MS Paint.
Posted by Jayden Lawson  on  Thu Apr 14, 2005  at  12:12 AM
I played the vid in slow motion and her head appears to wack the hoop.

Posted by Jason P. Weishaupt  in  Virginia  on  Fri Apr 22, 2005  at  03:30 PM
Anyone know where this video is now?
Posted by Sal  in  Champaign, IL  on  Mon May 16, 2005  at  10:22 PM
as a cheerleader i can say that the flier could so fit through there and it might be fake but ya'all should stop acting so cool like you know everything! I think its real and super sweet! and about "so fake, her head would have gone through the rim..." um unless is HIT the rim and she held her head becuase it hurt...oh wait she did do that! eat it!
Posted by Thomas  in  here  on  Fri Jun 24, 2005  at  05:06 PM
I don't think it's a big deal that it's fake, but I think it has to be fake. Even given that somebody could do it, that it could have happened, there's no way Nokia and Best Buy would be willing to buy into the kind of PR nightmare you'd have on your hands when a young, attractive cheerleader spends the rest of her life steering a wheelchair by breathing through a tube, all because she whacked the back of her neck on a basketball hoop.

I think it's cool to see. And the flash game on their site is fun. Still, I'm surprised they're airing the video. Because some high school kid is gonna try this and spend her life eating through a tube and breathing with a machine and Nokia and Best Buy are going to foot the bill.
Posted by Jason - Atlanta  in  Atlanta  on  Tue Aug 02, 2005  at  09:22 AM

What website did you find the flash game at? I can't seem to find it anymore. Every time I go to, my IE browser can't find the web-page anymore. Anyone else having this problem?
Posted by Sal  on  Tue Aug 02, 2005  at  12:35 PM
Nevermind, all...just got it.
Posted by Sal  on  Tue Aug 02, 2005  at  12:53 PM
Why doesn't anyone look at the camera with amazement ensuring the camera guy caught the entire act? Not once during their celebration did anyone even glance at the camera?
Posted by JujuBean  in  Az  on  Sat Sep 10, 2005  at  09:37 PM
I admit its cool and thats part of the reason i think that its real but i also believe its real because as she passes through the net it sways from her movement, you could ananlyze it down to the "t" or just admit its definetly real.
Posted by Emmy L.  in  Centreville MD  on  Fri Oct 14, 2005  at  07:38 PM
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