A Matrix-style poster depicting a Catholic priest as Neo isn't a spoof. The Catholic Church really is distributing these things. It's part of their
new recruitment campaign:
The poster's creator, the Rev. Jonathan Meyer, 28, associate director of youth ministries for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, says pop culture is the key to attracting young men to an occupation that has gotten bad press.
"If we can get high-school youth to hang a picture of a priest in their room, that's huge in helping young men to answer the call to the priesthood," the cleric said. "Anyone who is a 'Matrix' guru looks at the picture and automatically gets it."
Crucifix in hand, Father Meyer posed for the poster, rated R for "restricted to those radically in love with Jesus Christ." Running time is "all eternity," and its title reads, "The Catholic priesthood: The answer is out there ... and it's calling you."
I'm wondering how far the Neo as Catholic priest analogy can be extended. In the second Matrix movie, Neo has sex with Trinity. So how are we supposed to interpret that? In one sense it seems appropriate (priests are dedicating themselves to God, or the Holy Trinity), but in another way it doesn't seem to be the message the Church intended. (via
Notes From the Lounge)
A Matrix-style poster depicting a Catholic priest as Neo isn't a spoof. The Catholic Church really is distributing these things. It's part of their new recruitment campaign:
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The poster is not about teachers MS., it's about recruiting meat for pedophiles. Chill. Check out what pedophile priests have done to indians.
http://www.libarts.ucok.edu/history/faculty/roberson/course/1493/readings/Native American Schools.htm
I know the priest in this poster. In fact I know him quite well. He is an excellent priest and his whole plow with this poster was that he thought it would be something to get high school boys to step back and discern if they are called to the priesthood. He was simply taking a pagan thing and turning into a holy thing. The Church has been doing this forever. Take for example December 25th, it was the pagan holiday for their sun god. So Catholics use it for the celebration of Christ's birth. Taking something pagan and making it holy.
Also some information for all of the childish remarks about molestation in the priesthood. less than 2% of all priests were charged with sexual abuse cases (you could find that in any job, especially in the United States.) Interestingly enough, of that less than 2%, 95% were homosexual priests who had never dealt with their problem of being a homosexual. And, to think that some people are out their campaigning for "gay rights" when we can clearly see that effects of the psychological disorder of having homosexual tendancies.
Thank you for reading this and understanding. May God bless you and I'll pray for you.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20040506.html
"Also some information for all of the childish remarks about molestation in the priesthood. less than 2% of all priests were charged with sexual abuse cases (you could find that in any job, especially in the United States.) Interestingly enough, of that less than 2%, 95% were homosexual priests who had never dealt with their problem of being a homosexual. And, to think that some people are out their campaigning for "gay rights" when we can clearly see that effects of the psychological disorder of having homosexual tendancies."
This is what happenes when statistics fall into the hands of those who don't understand them.
Let's see, 95% of 2% of priests were homosexual pederasts (if we assume your stats are accurate, that is) and that somehow "proves" something about the population at large? Um, just for starters, what percent of the public do priests represent? Less than 1%, right? Are you now beginning to see how small your "sample" is (and, of course, as mentioned, that assumes that your stats are accurate in the first place).
Unfortunately for your theory, the fact is that, in society at large, the majority of people involved in sexually molesting a minor are heterosexual men. The typical scenario is a father who molests his daughter, an uncle who molests a niece or a family friend molesting one of the children.
Even if your stats are accurate, they aren't taken from a small subset of society, so they prove exactly NOTHING about the general population. Nice try at gay bashing, though.
Pagan - A person not subscribing to any major or recognized religion, esp. the dominant religion of a particular society.
Holy - Kept or regarded as inviolate from ordinary use, and appropriated or set apart for religious use or observance; consecrated, dedicated, sacred.
"Splain" - Not a word but you still used it.
Using simple logic you can understand that Holy things can be apart of a "major or recognized religion"
As for calling my statistics minuscule compared to the entire population I would agree. Just as 2% of the population of priests is minuscule when compared to the entire population of the priesthood. Therefore applying the same thought process you used it would be wrong for you to stereotype all priests as child molesters, so please stop.
In regards to the "gay-bashing" as you so put it. Logically sex between a man and a goat is the same as sex between a man and a man. Sex between a man and a woman has to distinct parts that make it natural. 1) It's unitive, and 2)The possibility of reproducing offspring. Sex between a man and a goat and sex between a man and a man may offer the initial part. However, offspring will never come from this, thus beastiality is just as natural as sex between two men. If you believe it is right for homosexuals to have sex you agree that it is natural for man and beast to have sex.
That marci is my kind of gal, she says charge the Vatican like you would the Mafia.....to real or what?
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20030619.html
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/#NV
Listing
BAD PRIEST, NO DONUT!
Educate yourselves and support SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests: BUY A BOOK FROM SNAP.
http://www.snapnetwork.org/books_section/books_to_read_.htm
All about the scandal, guaranteed to put some lies in perspective and help you understand why Jonathan's pin-up is so offensive!
Hug a pagan today! Blessings and peace upon your soul.
Here is an article that you may find informative with regard Priest abuse of indian children:
http://www.libarts.ucok.edu/history/faculty/roberson/course/1493/readings/Native American Schools.htm
I was not raised as a Christian. For that, i am grateful!
MOST OF YOU PROBABLY WATCH DIRTY MOVIES...OWN COP KILLER GAMES...SMOKE THAT CRAZY STUFF...AND DON'T
ATTEND CHURCH ON SUNDAYS. CONGRATULATIONS.
"As for calling my statistics minuscule compared to the entire population I would agree. Just as 2% of the population of priests is minuscule when compared to the entire population of the priesthood. Therefore applying the same thought process you used it would be wrong for you to stereotype all priests as child molesters, so please stop."
Please show me when I've said that all priests were child molesters. I haven't, therefore your complaint about my "thought process" is invalid.
"In regards to the "gay-bashing" as you so put it. Logically sex between a man and a goat is the same as sex between a man and a man."
You have now gone WAY off the rail, logic-wise.
"Sex between a man and a woman has to distinct parts that make it natural. 1) It's unitive,"
I don't know what "unitive" means. Please explain.
"2)The possibility of reproducing offspring. Sex between a man and a goat and sex between a man and a man may offer the initial part. However, offspring will never come from this, thus beastiality is just as natural as sex between two men. If you believe it is right for homosexuals to have sex you agree that it is natural for man and beast to have sex."
This is also false logic. First, it implies that any sex between any two humans which is not intended to produce a child is sinful or wrong or whatever it is you're trying to say. Are you truly that anti-sex?
Second, the "logical" basis you're using here just makes no sense.
Watch:
A cat has a face. A human has a face.
A cat has feet. A human has feet.
Some cats have names. Most humans have names.
Therefore, humans are the same as cats. I just used the same kind of "logic" as you did; you cannot possibly argue with what I just said.
I'm sorry to have to say this, but sane people simply do not see sex between two consenting adults and sex between a human and an animal as equivalent. In your zeal to push your religious agenda, I fear you have left your reason on the side of the road somewhere.
I said you were gay bashing and I stand by that. If you can't make a case for your beliefs without equating sex between humans and sex with an animal, I think you should re-evaluate what you believe. Most people you tell this to are going to think you're nuts.
I am not anti-sex at all. Sex is a wonderful gift in marriage. Thus my logic is not false because it proves exactly what is true. Children come from sex and that should never be forgotten.
Unitive - Having the property or effect of uniting; serving to unite or cause union; characterized by or involving union. (use a dictionary when you don't know what words mean)
http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50267820?single=1&query_type=word&queryword=unitive&first=1&max_to_show=10
A damn fine reason to not be a Christian.
-Charybdis in Hell
May God have mercy on your soul, I'll pray for you.
Yes.
Yes.
My purpose is to survive and be remembered fondly by loved ones.
I'm not searching for spiritual fulfillment. I don't need it to validate my existence.
Happiness in life is all we have. When we die all of our emotions cease to exist.
Basically, some people need mythology as a crutch to make it through life, and some people don't. All we end up doing is pitying each other.
Happiness is not a requirement for existence, it's a benefit that may be achieved. There are millions of unhappy people who manage to survive. To tell them that all their misery will be rewarded in a next life is wrong, in my opinion, and totally invalidates all that they can accomplish while alive.
I don't believe in a soul. I don't have one, and neither do you. There has never been any evidence pointing to the existence of a soul that isn't based on faith.
I would agree in principle with Adam on this point: that animals lack something that humans have, often called a soul (altho you may insert your word of choice) that lives after mortal life is over.
Its not mysthology or a crutch but a simple observation - there is something that makes people more that animals, and its not merely intelligance or emotion or behavioral code, because animals appear to have these things too (albeit usually in more primitive forms) There is something in humans that is different, inexplicable. I believe there are many things beyond our ability to see or explain and this is one of them.
I also believe that this part of personhood is not limited to mortal life and lives on after what we know as death. I dont believe that happiness in life here is all we have, because life is often not happy. Without an eternity, the universe would not balance - no punishment for wrong, no reward for good, no satisfaction for those who seek but never find happiness.
Life is too much of a mystery to disappear just because the human heart stops beating. It goes on, and this is not a myth, but a belief of all the people before us who know - sometimes inperfectly - that there was more to life we could not see.
Im not living unhappily, refusing to find satisfaction here. Rather, my belief in eternity and the unseen is what gives meaning to my life, a purpose to my actions beyond merely surviving or seeking happiness.
I believe in a human soul, an eternity, and an unseen God.
FATHER CLARK = NOOKIE BIRD
F-----G BUT NOT INTERESTED IN MAKING A BABY WITH HIS MARRIED SECRETARY?
FATHER CLARK = PIGLET! ANIMAL! I LAUGHED SO HARD I ALMOST BUST A GUT. FATHER HAS BEEN BUSTED!
PRAY FOR FOR FATHER CLARK, THE NOOKIE BIRD WHAT SINNED! More to come next week when I return.
"All sex without the possibility of producing children is wrong. It is simply out of lust and it is adultery. Your marvelous logic problem with the cat and human does not apply any logic whatsoever and the only thing that could be concluded is that both cats and human have faces and feet, and that some of both have names."
Uh, I humbly submit, Adam, that my cat and human thing used the same logic you did when you talked about homosexual sex being the same as sex between a human and an animal. You found some elements of both which are arguably the same and then concluded that the both were the same as a whole. I did the same thing, using an absurd example, to show you how your entire argument was absurd.
So, when a married couple have sex without the intention of producing a child, you think that's wrong? Fascinating. Are you married?
"I am not anti-sex at all. Sex is a wonderful gift in marriage. Thus my logic is not false because it proves exactly what is true. Children come from sex and that should never be forgotten."
And who, exactly, said that children do NOT come from sex? You're arguing against a position no one has taken.
"Unitive - Having the property or effect of uniting; serving to unite or cause union; characterized by or involving union. (use a dictionary when you don't know what words mean)"
Adam, it will be a cold day in the Hell you believe in when I'm comfortable with you talking down to me. For all I know, the word "unitive" has some special meaning in whatever your belief system is. I was asking you what YOU meant by it. Trust me, you aren't going to win any points in this debate through condescension.
If you would have used my logic and applied it to the cat and human thing you would have ended up with this result. The action of having a face, feet, and a name is shared by both cats and humans. It would be nice if someone else had taken logic courses so I could just write it out in symbolic logic.
If they're having sex with a condemn or contraception I think it is wrong. If they have natural sex and don't have a kid that's okay. But, they cannot intentional put some unnatural barrier between the two egg and sperm.
One person said a good reason to not be christian was due to the fact that sex without the possibilty of children is wrong.
How did your homosexual neighbor have kids? Just curious not gay-bashing or anything as I was accused of earlier.
Our neighbor was married to a woman at one time but I don't know the details of their divorce. He has custody and his former wife visits regularly and they appear to be good friends. I think that she may be a recovering alcoholic? They both clearly care for and participate in having a good relationship with their kids. The kids look like both parents so I can only assume that they engaged in sex when they were married and the births followed. The thing about a goat is too much for me to handle. We really care about our neighbor and his kids and he has invited us to attend his church. He is Episcopalian. I attended a Catholic HS but I am not Catholic. Sometimes I attend the Greek Orthodox Church.
The reason I focused on Catholic priests is because I thought that this conversation was about a poster and the Catholic Church. Arni
"Less than 2% of clergy have been accused of sexual abuse. The same numbers could be found in any other job."
Where did you get that "statistic" from, or did you just make it up? It may or may not be true, but I would like to know where it came from.
But nobody cares if a plumber, painter, banker, general manager does it because they are not tied to Catholics."
Oh? Again, where are you getting this from? I see stories all the time on my local Fox TV affiliate's news about child molestation (they're a wee bit obsessed with that kind of thing). Yes, they've talked about child molesting priests, but they've also talked about non-priests. Are you just making up your "facts?"
"People who are not Catholics generally have a distaste for Catholics and I don't know why that is. Someone who lives by the Catholic faith should be nothing but a pleasant person to enconuter and yet society hates us. Why is that?"
For the third time, where are you getting this "fact" from? What makes you think that society in general hates Catholics (other than the Vatican-protected child molesting priests, that is)? What evidence do you have for your contention(s)? Unfortunately for you, this debate is not "faith-based." Put up or shut up, please.
"Someone asked what "unitive" meant so I told them. And if you don't want to be talked down to don't come into a conversation asking stupid questions."
I was that person, as you'd know if you were paying attention. I'll repeat what I said: For all I knew, the word "unitive" has some special meaning in your belief system. That, as I have already explained to you, was what I was asking about.
"If you would have used my logic and applied it to the cat and human thing you would have ended up with this result. The action of having a face, feet, and a name is shared by both cats and humans. It would be nice if someone else had taken logic courses so I could just write it out in symbolic logic."
It would be even nicer if you had paid attention during those classes. Yes, you made an comparison between homosexuals and animals. You then drew a ridiculous CONCLUSION based on that comparison. I was showing you how silly that was by "demonstrating" that cats and humans have similar features and are therefore equal. That is exactly what you did. You are unable to see that, I believe, because of your religious tenets. You have drawn a conclusion that you will not challenge, no matter what.
"If they're having sex with a condemn or contraception I think it is wrong. If they have natural sex and don't have a kid that's okay. But, they cannot intentional put some unnatural barrier between the two egg and sperm."
First off, I see two mistakes in spelling in that single paragraph. You may wish to be a little less critical of others (especially when they ask what YOU mean by a word) when you have such trouble with the language.
Secondly, you are, of course, entirely within your rights to have whatever bizarre beliefs you want to; you should, I believe, be a little less hasty to criticize others who don't share your fringe beliefs. I'm willing to bet that the majority of Americans do NOT believe that it is "wrong" for a married man to wear a condom when having intercourse with his wife.
"One person said a good reason to not be christian was due to the fact that sex without the possibilty of children is wrong."
A good reason to be a Christian is that it keeps you from having to think for yourself.
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm
http://www.survivorsfirst.org/gallery/index.html
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/
BAD PRIEST, NO DONUT!
Humpty Dumpty Priests!
http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/bookdisplay.asp?bookid=1201
BAD NUN, NO DONUT!
HUMPTY DUMPTY NUNS...PLEASE SPLAIN!
http://www.enquirer.com/priests/
GET A GOOD LOOK AT A FEW THE ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST OFFENDERS. HOW CAN ANYBODY TRULY ESPLAIN THIS ROMAN CATHOLIC SCANDAL?
http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/removed_list.htm
THEY CAN RUN BUT THEY CANNOT HIDE!
HUMPTY DUMPTY BOYS! BUSTED! HOORAY!
Why are you so mean? It look like you want to be appreciate but then you call people name. You may be smart but when you try to prove that everybody molest the children and not just Catholic, you seem like you try to conquer anybody that disagree with you and make it look like they are stupid. Whats about the prayer for them? I don
Thank you for your criticism. But it gets very difficult when people everywhere bash me for being Catholic because the media blows the scandals out of proportion. It is not just priests in fact Catholic priests are doing the best at it out of anyone. But that storyline doesn't sell. So people are making money out of shaming my Church. And I don't think that is fair at all. Why can't people be nice to us? And in China the Catholic Church is being persecuted. The government kills Catholics all the time. But that doesn't make the news. The world is full of injustice I would just like it to balance to justice and close the mass media because they turn everyone on everyone.
The Chinese government hate everybody, not just Catholic. The soldiers kill many innocent people such as student, political dissident, ntellectual and many mental ill people. Many Tibetan Buddhist have been kill. Government want to give appearance of acepting diversity in the population but that is propaganda for outsider world. Believe it, the government look down upon everybody and not trusting any citizen.
There is more freedom for faith in Shanghai and Hong Kong. Hong Kong is international city, and the government must be very careful to avoid protest. Government not wish to scare away tourist money because many tourist are Christian and go to church in Hong Kong when they visit for holiday. Still, even the tourist is watch by police and other people. You don
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/08/again-father-again.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/cgi-bin/bi/dallas/2002/priests.cgi
Protect Children, Not Pedophiles!
I was shocked to read about JEWISH pedophiles? It's not just Catholic priests. What next? BUDDHISTS, HINDUS, WHAT ELSE? ARE ANY CHILDREN SAFE?
Treatment is not supposed to help but I don't know, maybe it does? What the hell is the treatment? What's the fuss about a poster when children are still being molested? A recruitment poster is one thing, but fucking over children is an entirely different matter. I must agree that it is curious that there are not too many stories about Rabbi's & Imams screwing over children, at least not as many stories as there are about Priests? How come?