Catholic Church as The Matrix

image A Matrix-style poster depicting a Catholic priest as Neo isn't a spoof. The Catholic Church really is distributing these things. It's part of their new recruitment campaign:

The poster's creator, the Rev. Jonathan Meyer, 28, associate director of youth ministries for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, says pop culture is the key to attracting young men to an occupation that has gotten bad press.
"If we can get high-school youth to hang a picture of a priest in their room, that's huge in helping young men to answer the call to the priesthood," the cleric said. "Anyone who is a 'Matrix' guru looks at the picture and automatically gets it."
Crucifix in hand, Father Meyer posed for the poster, rated R for "restricted to those radically in love with Jesus Christ." Running time is "all eternity," and its title reads, "The Catholic priesthood: The answer is out there ... and it's calling you."


I'm wondering how far the Neo as Catholic priest analogy can be extended. In the second Matrix movie, Neo has sex with Trinity. So how are we supposed to interpret that? In one sense it seems appropriate (priests are dedicating themselves to God, or the Holy Trinity), but in another way it doesn't seem to be the message the Church intended. (via Notes From the Lounge)

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Posted on Mon Aug 22, 2005



Comments

I stand corrected KA-OS, the number if 94%... GO KA-OS! There is a lot of booty to educate in this world, do it!!!
The poster is not about teachers MS., it's about recruiting meat for pedophiles. Chill. Check out what pedophile priests have done to indians.

http://www.libarts.ucok.edu/history/faculty/roberson/course/1493/readings/Native American Schools.htm
Posted by choco3  in  California  on  Tue Aug 30, 2005  at  12:11 PM
I would not be surprised if the real person that posed for the pin-up is none other than G. Lorenz, boyfriend to Father Meyer Fess up boys! Are you two an item?
Posted by choc4  on  Tue Aug 30, 2005  at  12:42 PM
We of the Conscious Collective do not need to see what priest's have done to other's, we know the truth!
Posted by Ka~Os  on  Tue Aug 30, 2005  at  01:17 PM
Yes, and the truth hurts! So be it....
Posted by choco8  in  California  on  Tue Aug 30, 2005  at  03:27 PM
Lorenz, have you heard about David & Jonathan? Well I think the poster is about Little boy and Jonathan! Pervert.
Posted by sygle  on  Tue Aug 30, 2005  at  09:09 PM
Hello,

I know the priest in this poster. In fact I know him quite well. He is an excellent priest and his whole plow with this poster was that he thought it would be something to get high school boys to step back and discern if they are called to the priesthood. He was simply taking a pagan thing and turning into a holy thing. The Church has been doing this forever. Take for example December 25th, it was the pagan holiday for their sun god. So Catholics use it for the celebration of Christ's birth. Taking something pagan and making it holy.

Also some information for all of the childish remarks about molestation in the priesthood. less than 2% of all priests were charged with sexual abuse cases (you could find that in any job, especially in the United States.) Interestingly enough, of that less than 2%, 95% were homosexual priests who had never dealt with their problem of being a homosexual. And, to think that some people are out their campaigning for "gay rights" when we can clearly see that effects of the psychological disorder of having homosexual tendancies.

Thank you for reading this and understanding. May God bless you and I'll pray for you.
Posted by Adam  in  Indiana  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  02:54 PM
What do you mean by "pagan"? What people are pagans? How have you come to believe what pagan's do is unholy"? Racist? I don't know? Splain it pleeeeze.
Posted by choco  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  04:42 PM
FYI readers! No more pin-up of Jonathan pleeeeze!


http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20040506.html
Posted by choco  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  05:10 PM
adam said:

"Also some information for all of the childish remarks about molestation in the priesthood. less than 2% of all priests were charged with sexual abuse cases (you could find that in any job, especially in the United States.) Interestingly enough, of that less than 2%, 95% were homosexual priests who had never dealt with their problem of being a homosexual. And, to think that some people are out their campaigning for "gay rights" when we can clearly see that effects of the psychological disorder of having homosexual tendancies."

This is what happenes when statistics fall into the hands of those who don't understand them.

Let's see, 95% of 2% of priests were homosexual pederasts (if we assume your stats are accurate, that is) and that somehow "proves" something about the population at large? Um, just for starters, what percent of the public do priests represent? Less than 1%, right? Are you now beginning to see how small your "sample" is (and, of course, as mentioned, that assumes that your stats are accurate in the first place).

Unfortunately for your theory, the fact is that, in society at large, the majority of people involved in sexually molesting a minor are heterosexual men. The typical scenario is a father who molests his daughter, an uncle who molests a niece or a family friend molesting one of the children.

Even if your stats are accurate, they aren't taken from a small subset of society, so they prove exactly NOTHING about the general population. Nice try at gay bashing, though.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  05:57 PM
Sorry mate, the father of my children was amongst over 20 children in a Catholic Church choir for over 6 year's, and was abused by several priest's, along with the other choir boy's, and he has abused his own children for many year's as a consiquence of the abuse he suffered, and i also have evidance against him of child sexual abuse, yet, despite having undoubtable evidance against him from his children on video and audio, the UK Police, and Social Care and Health, ignore any evidance whatsoever. So your pathetic 2 percent is utter reverse psychology, that's what the whole of the Vatican Illuminati do, turn your brain's upside down over the word Pesdestary, from it's origin 'Loverboy' from the Book of Revelation 22; the spirit and the bride, which mean's the physical female gender, and the spiritual male of the female, which mean's Tomboy, NOT F*CK ALL THE KID'S! So where's you're intellect? Up you're colon? Didn't anyone ever tell you that the action to shit, begin's from the solar plexus to the brain before the colon disperse's your crap, not where were Vatican half brained priest's fudge packing the nation's children, completely brainwashed by the Vatican's incompetancy in interpretation's of Scripture's, when all you get is cancer, alhzeimer's, parkinson's, and brain degrade, because you lie to your soul's from first day you're initiated. What's a matter with you? Too scared to know the truth about yourselve's LADDIE'S!
Posted by Ka~Os  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  06:36 PM
Greetings,
Pagan - A person not subscribing to any major or recognized religion, esp. the dominant religion of a particular society.

Holy - Kept or regarded as inviolate from ordinary use, and appropriated or set apart for religious use or observance; consecrated, dedicated, sacred.

"Splain" - Not a word but you still used it.

Using simple logic you can understand that Holy things can be apart of a "major or recognized religion"

As for calling my statistics minuscule compared to the entire population I would agree. Just as 2% of the population of priests is minuscule when compared to the entire population of the priesthood. Therefore applying the same thought process you used it would be wrong for you to stereotype all priests as child molesters, so please stop.

In regards to the "gay-bashing" as you so put it. Logically sex between a man and a goat is the same as sex between a man and a man. Sex between a man and a woman has to distinct parts that make it natural. 1) It's unitive, and 2)The possibility of reproducing offspring. Sex between a man and a goat and sex between a man and a man may offer the initial part. However, offspring will never come from this, thus beastiality is just as natural as sex between two men. If you believe it is right for homosexuals to have sex you agree that it is natural for man and beast to have sex.
Posted by adam  in  Indiana  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  06:38 PM
NO MORE SEDUCTIVE PIN-UPS, Por Favor!
That marci is my kind of gal, she says charge the Vatican like you would the Mafia.....to real or what?


http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20030619.html
Posted by choco-latte  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  09:38 PM
LIST OF CATHOLIC PRIEST CREDIBLY ACCUSED OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN THE UNITED STATES:

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/#NV

Listing

BAD PRIEST, NO DONUT!
Posted by mucho choco-latte  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  10:59 PM
NO MORE SEDUCTIVE PIN-UPS PLEASE....Jonathan & Missy!
Educate yourselves and support SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests: BUY A BOOK FROM SNAP.

http://www.snapnetwork.org/books_section/books_to_read_.htm

All about the scandal, guaranteed to put some lies in perspective and help you understand why Jonathan's pin-up is so offensive!
Hug a pagan today! Blessings and peace upon your soul.
Posted by salsa con choco-latte  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  11:20 PM
As a Native American, I qualify as a "pagan".
Here is an article that you may find informative with regard Priest abuse of indian children:

http://www.libarts.ucok.edu/history/faculty/roberson/course/1493/readings/Native American Schools.htm

I was not raised as a Christian. For that, i am grateful!
Posted by Yaqui choco-latte  on  Wed Aug 31, 2005  at  11:43 PM
HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN....
MOST OF YOU PROBABLY WATCH DIRTY MOVIES...OWN COP KILLER GAMES...SMOKE THAT CRAZY STUFF...AND DON'T
ATTEND CHURCH ON SUNDAYS. CONGRATULATIONS.
Posted by JC  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  12:26 AM
Adam said:

"As for calling my statistics minuscule compared to the entire population I would agree. Just as 2% of the population of priests is minuscule when compared to the entire population of the priesthood. Therefore applying the same thought process you used it would be wrong for you to stereotype all priests as child molesters, so please stop."

Please show me when I've said that all priests were child molesters. I haven't, therefore your complaint about my "thought process" is invalid.

"In regards to the "gay-bashing" as you so put it. Logically sex between a man and a goat is the same as sex between a man and a man."

You have now gone WAY off the rail, logic-wise.


"Sex between a man and a woman has to distinct parts that make it natural. 1) It's unitive,"

I don't know what "unitive" means. Please explain.

"2)The possibility of reproducing offspring. Sex between a man and a goat and sex between a man and a man may offer the initial part. However, offspring will never come from this, thus beastiality is just as natural as sex between two men. If you believe it is right for homosexuals to have sex you agree that it is natural for man and beast to have sex."

This is also false logic. First, it implies that any sex between any two humans which is not intended to produce a child is sinful or wrong or whatever it is you're trying to say. Are you truly that anti-sex?

Second, the "logical" basis you're using here just makes no sense.

Watch:

A cat has a face. A human has a face.
A cat has feet. A human has feet.
Some cats have names. Most humans have names.

Therefore, humans are the same as cats. I just used the same kind of "logic" as you did; you cannot possibly argue with what I just said.

I'm sorry to have to say this, but sane people simply do not see sex between two consenting adults and sex between a human and an animal as equivalent. In your zeal to push your religious agenda, I fear you have left your reason on the side of the road somewhere.

I said you were gay bashing and I stand by that. If you can't make a case for your beliefs without equating sex between humans and sex with an animal, I think you should re-evaluate what you believe. Most people you tell this to are going to think you're nuts.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  12:45 AM
All sex without the possibility of producing children is wrong. It is simply out of lust and it is adultery. Your marvelous logic problem with the cat and human does not apply any logic whatsoever and the only thing that could be concluded is that both cats and human have faces and feet, and that some of both have names.

I am not anti-sex at all. Sex is a wonderful gift in marriage. Thus my logic is not false because it proves exactly what is true. Children come from sex and that should never be forgotten.

Unitive - Having the property or effect of uniting; serving to unite or cause union; characterized by or involving union. (use a dictionary when you don't know what words mean)

http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50267820?single=1&query_type=word&queryword=unitive&first=1&max_to_show=10
Posted by adam  in  indiana  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  08:14 AM
All sex without the possibility of producing children is wrong. - Adam

A damn fine reason to not be a Christian.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  08:42 AM
"A damn fine reason to not be a Christian."
-Charybdis in Hell

May God have mercy on your soul, I'll pray for you.
Posted by Adam  in  Indiana  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  10:13 AM
And I'll have the decency to not do the same in return.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  10:15 AM
Do you honestly think there is no heaven? Do you really think we have the same end goal as animals? To simply live and survive on this earth. What a terrible life to lead with no purpose. Always searching for fulfillment but never finding it in anything of this world. Good luck to you in trying to merely be happy on earth.
Posted by Adam  in  Indiana  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  10:20 AM
Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

My purpose is to survive and be remembered fondly by loved ones.

I'm not searching for spiritual fulfillment. I don't need it to validate my existence.

Happiness in life is all we have. When we die all of our emotions cease to exist.

Basically, some people need mythology as a crutch to make it through life, and some people don't. All we end up doing is pitying each other.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  10:30 AM
So then we are the same as animals. Then how do we have the ability to reason and use logic. Then how do we have emotions and animals don't. Then why do we have a need to be happy whereas animals don't have that need. There is something there that you are not recognizing in your definition of a person. And that is an immaterial soul. And a soul cannot die thus it is still a being after death.
Posted by Adam  in  Indiana  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  11:10 AM
Animals think. Many show signs of being able to reason. The learn skills and improve upon them. They also show emotions. My dog seems happy, sad, frightened. The only difference between humans and the rest of the animals is level of intelligence (as we understand it, which isn't necessarily meaningful) and our ability to develope technologically. There is no reason to assume that we are 'special' for these reasons.

Happiness is not a requirement for existence, it's a benefit that may be achieved. There are millions of unhappy people who manage to survive. To tell them that all their misery will be rewarded in a next life is wrong, in my opinion, and totally invalidates all that they can accomplish while alive.

I don't believe in a soul. I don't have one, and neither do you. There has never been any evidence pointing to the existence of a soul that isn't based on faith.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  12:45 PM
There is only so much time to waste on those who don't believe. God is real and may He have mercy on your soul when you stand before Him. God Bless and I'll pray for you.
Posted by Adam  in  Indiana  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  12:53 PM
Well aren't we way off topic here! I was wondering just how much more nonsense Ka~Os would post and how many more people would respond but apparently now were arguing about what makes humans different from animals, all thoughts of the Catholic church forgotten.

I would agree in principle with Adam on this point: that animals lack something that humans have, often called a soul (altho you may insert your word of choice) that lives after mortal life is over.

Its not mysthology or a crutch but a simple observation - there is something that makes people more that animals, and its not merely intelligance or emotion or behavioral code, because animals appear to have these things too (albeit usually in more primitive forms) There is something in humans that is different, inexplicable. I believe there are many things beyond our ability to see or explain and this is one of them.

I also believe that this part of personhood is not limited to mortal life and lives on after what we know as death. I dont believe that happiness in life here is all we have, because life is often not happy. Without an eternity, the universe would not balance - no punishment for wrong, no reward for good, no satisfaction for those who seek but never find happiness.

Life is too much of a mystery to disappear just because the human heart stops beating. It goes on, and this is not a myth, but a belief of all the people before us who know - sometimes inperfectly - that there was more to life we could not see.

Im not living unhappily, refusing to find satisfaction here. Rather, my belief in eternity and the unseen is what gives meaning to my life, a purpose to my actions beyond merely surviving or seeking happiness.

I believe in a human soul, an eternity, and an unseen God.
Posted by chyca  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  12:58 PM
You're right, I did get off topic, and I'm the one who complains about others doing it. I apologize.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  01:03 PM
MSGR. EUGENE CLARK, RECTOR OF ST. PATRICK'S CATHEDRAL, NY, RESIGNS AFTER SEX SCANDAL!!!

FATHER CLARK = NOOKIE BIRD

F-----G BUT NOT INTERESTED IN MAKING A BABY WITH HIS MARRIED SECRETARY?

FATHER CLARK = PIGLET! ANIMAL! I LAUGHED SO HARD I ALMOST BUST A GUT. FATHER HAS BEEN BUSTED!

PRAY FOR FOR FATHER CLARK, THE NOOKIE BIRD WHAT SINNED! More to come next week when I return.
Posted by MECO  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  02:29 PM
Adam said:

"All sex without the possibility of producing children is wrong. It is simply out of lust and it is adultery. Your marvelous logic problem with the cat and human does not apply any logic whatsoever and the only thing that could be concluded is that both cats and human have faces and feet, and that some of both have names."

Uh, I humbly submit, Adam, that my cat and human thing used the same logic you did when you talked about homosexual sex being the same as sex between a human and an animal. You found some elements of both which are arguably the same and then concluded that the both were the same as a whole. I did the same thing, using an absurd example, to show you how your entire argument was absurd.

So, when a married couple have sex without the intention of producing a child, you think that's wrong? Fascinating. Are you married?

"I am not anti-sex at all. Sex is a wonderful gift in marriage. Thus my logic is not false because it proves exactly what is true. Children come from sex and that should never be forgotten."

And who, exactly, said that children do NOT come from sex? You're arguing against a position no one has taken.

"Unitive - Having the property or effect of uniting; serving to unite or cause union; characterized by or involving union. (use a dictionary when you don't know what words mean)"

Adam, it will be a cold day in the Hell you believe in when I'm comfortable with you talking down to me. For all I know, the word "unitive" has some special meaning in whatever your belief system is. I was asking you what YOU meant by it. Trust me, you aren't going to win any points in this debate through condescension.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Sep 01, 2005  at  05:12 PM
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