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90-year-old Kung Fu Master Does Finger Stand
Status: Fake
image Check out this video of Monk Hai-Tank (wmv file). He's 90-years-old, but he still has "finger skill." Which means that he can stand upside-down supported by only one finger. The video obviously has to be fake. I assume they're supporting him with invisible wires. Special effects like this are pretty standard in kung-fu movies. (via Ceticismo Aberto)
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Posted by The Curator on Thu Jan 19, 2006


This video from National Geographic touches on the subject of Qi-Gong. Perhaps people can explain how a needle is thrown through glass?

http://www.fightauthority.com/watch.php?ytv=WAYa2tXkDBE
Posted by Ryan  on  Wed Apr 30, 2008  at  07:59 PM
And this video shows a monk doing the "Two finger skill" which was passed down from the man above. This is from the Discovery Channel about 3 minutes in. A monk holds his feet, but that is the same as having them supported on a wall.

http://www.fightauthority.com/watch.php?ytv=WAYa2tXkDBE
Posted by Ryan  on  Wed Apr 30, 2008  at  08:03 PM
I remember watching a man on the Ed Sullivan Show years ago stand upside down on one finger on a crystal ball. I believe his name was Unis. He wore a mysterious looking white glove which added to the drama. If anyone has any ifo on this guy please let me know.
Posted by jim  in  marietta, ga  on  Sun Aug 10, 2008  at  04:50 PM
Jim said:

"I remember watching a man on the Ed Sullivan Show years ago stand upside down on one finger on a crystal ball."

Assuming that this happened as you describe it, how long did the guy stand on his finger and how old did he appear to be?

Could the "mysterious looking white glove" have been a special apparatus which allowed him to appear to be standing on one finger?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sun Aug 10, 2008  at  07:39 PM
Since this was demonstrated to newscasters at the 2008 Olympics, it's obviously possible.
Posted by john  in  los angeles  on  Tue Aug 26, 2008  at  10:49 AM
MidNightCrimson said:

"why are you all so quick to disprove something you have never seen before?"

Well, you've convinced me, Crimson. In fact, because of your convincing logic, I'm going to reveal something I've been holding back.

I can fly. No, I don't mean in an airplane or if I'm attached to wires or something, I mean fly just like a bird.

You may be skeptical, but you should have an open mind. I mean, just because you've never seen a person fly, that doesn't mean that I can't, right?

You DO have an open mind, don't you? You aren't one of those closed-minded people like the ones who didn't think the Earth was round, right?

As we know, if someone makes a claim on the Internet, no matter how unlikely it may be, it MUST be true. Please tell me that you believe that I can fly. I wouldn't want to think that you were closed-minded.

K. Heres a new comment i found.
Since this was demonstrated to newscasters at the 2008 Olympics, it's obviously possible.
Posted by john in los angeles on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 06:49 AM

did you watch the olympics?
still not convinced?
here's a video from youtube where a man does a handstand on an open floor with the index and middle finger of both his hands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBXFTiRo_14&feature=related
and its not fake
I accept your apology in advance for being WRONG, closed minded-douche, who doesn't go out much and doesn't see too many amazing things in his life
Posted by MidNightCrimson  on  Sun Sep 07, 2008  at  10:16 PM
oh yea, AngryMedia Guy? I see you think that "Breaking" is a bunch of "smoke and mirrors"
a plank is a cheap piece of wood, wood that is not even and inch thick and has a large surface area can be easily broken.
Now concrete, heh thats a different story. On NatGeo they did this thing called fight science
the dude broke 7 concrete blocks with his elbow
the dude tried it before with a sledge hammer
a SLEDGE HAMMER!! guess what? no breaky

an yes some people in other cultures DO have knowledge we don't about certain things. Thats what happens when your not as commercialized and interdependent as America is
imagine 400 years ago people actually thought they knew everything about everything? Earth center of the universe? World being flat? people being evil primitives? cause they were different and new to them? man we have space shuttles, electron microscopes and holographic images for god'sake!!
don't be so quick to discount everything you don't understand at first
can you explain all the shit that happens around the Bermuda Triangle? didn't think so
Posted by MidNightCrimson  on  Sun Sep 07, 2008  at  10:26 PM
fake or true? we might not know it, but one thing for sure...Cranky Media Guy is damn EMO..

damn..i never see anyone stand use 1 finger, as i never know anyone as EMO as Cranky Media Guy.
Posted by Annon  on  Tue Nov 18, 2008  at  01:12 AM
I'm familiar with the term "emo" but what does it mean in this context?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Tue Nov 18, 2008  at  02:57 AM
It means that you are incredibly "emo"tional.

In this context, it means you fall into that social class perfectly.

And where are the comments about the Olympic post and the concrete posts above? Where is the witty banter we o-so-crave from you?

Provoke.
Posted by Ryan  on  Tue Nov 18, 2008  at  06:27 PM
As much as I would like to believe that that is possible and it may actually be possible to do, I highly doubt that he was able to do it at his age with all things considered even the person who tried to do a similar thing in the olympics ended up breaking his finger under the weight of his own body in the process.
Posted by LD  in  Canada  on  Sat Jan 31, 2009  at  04:04 AM
this is possible and it was actually done. he visited the city of 10,000 Buddhas before he died and was witnessed there in person doing it. he taught two people that were disciples of Hsuen Hua (non shaolin tripikata Buddhist master.) how to practice to develop it. Rev. Heng Sure, and I don't remember the name of the other ; the two individuals are famous for bowing every three steps from a temple in long beach all the way to Ukiah (location of city of 10,000 Buddhas.) even if you cant trust a shaolin monk these days (understandable) you can trust monks that have nothing to lie about. they witnessed him doing it in person. they have a pretty spotless reputation.
Posted by chuan bo  in  san francisco  on  Fri Feb 13, 2009  at  03:12 AM
Geezel Pete. I forgot I even found this site.
chuan bo, you rock
Posted by MidnightCrimson  on  Sun Feb 15, 2009  at  09:56 PM
Here is an explanation of how this works. Look carefully at his index finger and forearm. Note that it is a perfectly straight line - none of the joints in his finger bend, and the forearm is aligned with it. If you do this perfectly, you can support a great deal of stress on them. If you do it wrong you hurt yourself.
Posted by _^_  on  Tue Mar 24, 2009  at  07:38 PM
I find it funny that you are so in receptive if these things. If they were fake, why would people still practice them? So if it is magic why don't you fight this old man? Maybe you are ripped and shit, but it is not all about strength... And do you know how intense monks train??? One thing I know that they make jab there hand into a bag of gravel for hours a day, to increase the skins and bones resistence? Ever seen those guys balancing on lances?? I'm sure they are fake and that is why people buy tickets to see them.

fucking idiot.
Posted by SHUT the fuck up cranky media guy.  on  Mon Apr 06, 2009  at  05:37 PM
"Shut the fuck up" seems to have confused personal attack with logic, reason and facts.

"I find it funny that you are so in receptive if these things."

???

"If they were fake, why would people still practice them?"

I think you just proved, using your peculiar "logic" that Criss Angel can really hover in thin air. I mean, if it's fake, why would he practice doing it?

"So if it is magic why don't you fight this old man?"

Sure, no problem. When can I expect you to send me a round-trip ticket to the Orient?

"One thing I know that they make jab there hand into a bag of gravel for hours a day, to increase the skins and bones resistence?"

And that will enable a VERY old man to balance his entire weight on one finger?

"Ever seen those guys balancing on lances?? I'm sure they are fake and that is why people buy tickets to see them."

So, the WWE is real? People buy tickets to their shows, which--again, according to YOUR "logic"--MUST mean that it's real.

"fucking idiot."

You can't provide any proof for the things you believe, so you engage in insults. Sad.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Mon Apr 06, 2009  at  07:52 PM
well excuse for my lack of words as i can find no more to describe you.

Well, I suppose you know all the magic trick in the world, no?
Tricks are fake yes, but according to you if you see it, its real. Well, so I believe you know EVERY trick in the book right? NOOOO. So I guess for you, you have to accept that magic is real...the ones you don't know anyways.

Also seriously, how could you compare WWE to martial arts, those guys eat roid bars and gain weight so they can look tough... Bruce lee could probably punch through them.

Oh ya,and 9/11 must be fake, I guess right? I mean it's not that hard to use movie tricks and Bush pay the news station to make some story up. Or am I real? Are we living in a virtuall world???? WHO AM I???
Well I guess you can't prove EVERYthing right?
So seriously, you cannot keep questioning facts.
Ex: 1+1=2
Why does 1+1 =2
because 1 apple +1 apple =2 apples
PRove it
okay 1 apple and 1 apple + 2 apples
HOw do you know that the other apple is not fake?
Because I jsut took it out of my pocket.
How do I know that it is nota trick..


That is Exactly how you sound right now..
Posted by same guy as before  on  Mon Apr 06, 2009  at  10:31 PM
You have less apparent familiarity with logic and reason than anyone I've run into in a LONG time.

Your new posting completely contradicts your previous one. Why am I not surprised by this?

I guess if these old monks told you they could fly, you'd be forced to believe it. After all, they jab their hands into bags of gravel. I mean, what MORE proof of ability to do the impossible could one ask for?

So, when should I expect the round-trip plane tickets to Asia so I can fight the old dude?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Tue Apr 07, 2009  at  03:05 AM
No it apppears that you have no sense of logic considering there is nothing relevant between hand traning and flying. Flying DEFIES physics. and these feats of human body DO not.

Okay let's go a bit off topic.
Is obama really black? I mean I never me him in person. Wait, if i did, how do I know that he's not reverse michael jackson. Yes, it MUST be some optical illusion. Oh oh wait, why don't you buy ME a ticket so I can believe that a black guy is president? Who cares about the news, I mean just because its on the news doesn't prove anything, so I guess it's all a hoax? You might as well put that on a hoax site.


You have nothing to say about my posts,so you have to say some random shit like that, oh and just in appreciation of you superb logic, I believe that Bruce lee can fly just beause he trains. Yes, he can definitely defy physic my training...
Posted by same guy  on  Tue Apr 07, 2009  at  08:17 AM
the last sentence is with training, but I'm sure you are smart enough to figure that out.


OFFTOPIC
Oh ya, btw Obama is white unless you prove me so.
Posted by same guy  on  Tue Apr 07, 2009  at  08:26 AM
You have to understand this "Guy" only responds to people with irrational banter, he loves it. Whenever someone posts on fact, he goes silent.

He does, however, make me laugh when people just through poorly worded jests and insults. He doesn't, however, give any kind of backing to his own facts.

I'm still awaiting the responses to the National Georgraphic Documentary, and the Olympic demonstrations. Surely it was all camera magic? National Geographic is known for it, right?
Posted by Ryan  on  Tue Apr 07, 2009  at  09:50 AM
Dude, somebody just called CMG "emo"... that's uncalled for, you "pilltop grinder"... how rude
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Tue Apr 07, 2009  at  11:26 AM
" You have nothing to say about my posts,so you have to say some random shit like that, oh and just in appreciation of you superb logic, I believe that Bruce lee can fly just beause he trains. Yes, he can definitely defy physic my training..."

Well, you just can't argue with THAT, now can you? Of course, that has much to do with the fact that it's impossible to understand.

OK, here's how it works on Planet Earth. YOU are making a claim (that these guys can stand on one finger for a prolonged period of time). The burden of proof is on YOU. I realize that you'd like for me to fly to Asia and fight the old guy (which apparently in your mind would somehow validate...well, something) but I suspect even you realize that isn't going to happen.

Sorry, but I just do not believe that it's possible for a human to support the entire weight of their body on a single fingertip. Given how small the area of a fingertip is, the pressure per square inch would be very large.

Secondly, there's the matter of balance. Moving even slightly in any direction would bring gravity into play. (You DO believe in gravity, yes? Or do you think that "Chi" can overcome it or something like that?)

Thirdly, there's the matter that this particular guy is REALLY REALLY OLD. Yeah, yeah, I know, these guys punch bags of cement or whatever it is you say they do. He's still nearly a century old, if we believe what we're told.

It seems to me that too many people use the idea of the Asian culture supposedly being "more in touch with nature" or cosmic forces or whatever as an excuse to throw out fundamental realities in favor of believing in fantasies. Asians can no more break the known laws of physics than Occidentals can. Bruce Lee movies are NOT proof that adherents to ancient cultures are "magical."

As for Barack Obama's race, uh, has it not come to your attention that the President had a black father and a white mother? That means that he is as black as he is white. So, what point were you incompetently trying to make?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Tue Apr 07, 2009  at  03:31 PM
as I said I do not see how your comments refute mine, as i have explained. hmmm so explain to me about 9/11 and Obama (which is black and that is why 97% blacks voted for him, regardless of his heritage people see him as black)
so here something that you didn't tell me.
1. AGAIN, So how does flying link with physical training?
2. According to you logic, you really can't prove anything unless you see it yourself; SO therefore like I said, unless you know all the magic tricks in the world, you are claiming magics are real.
3. Your rebut against my obama analogy is pointless, you do not get the point of my argument,if I change it to "I refuse to believe that this man, Obama, is the president of the US"; it is still valid.
4. AGAIN, WHAT HE DID DOES NOT DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYICS.
5. About gravity, that is why he's leaning against a wall, as it would be extremely hard, but not impossible to do it without the wall.
6.Chi, is a Chinese word for energy.It is not fake, it is just another way for the Chinese to explain things. Just like how Chinese medicin use Ying and Yang to explain how the body works. Many diseases were cured with the Chinese doctrine.
7.And I'm not sure if you got my sarcasm, but now I am saying, I was sarcastic about my Bruce Lee analogy...
8.I would love to show you some Shaolin monks, but what good is it to me?
9. Who said he stood for prolonged period of time?
Posted by same guy  on  Tue Apr 07, 2009  at  07:44 PM
Same guy said:

"hmmm so explain to me about 9/11 and Obama (which is black and that is why 97% blacks voted for him, regardless of his heritage people see him as black)"

What the HELL are you talking about?

"According to you logic, you really can't prove anything unless you see it yourself; SO therefore like I said, unless you know all the magic tricks in the world, you are claiming magics are real."

Since I never said that you can't prove anything unless you see it yourself, your "point," whatever it is, is moot.

"About gravity, that is why he's leaning against a wall, as it would be extremely hard, but not impossible to do it without the wall."

You actually believe that someone, even a 90-YEAR-OLD MAN, can stand on one finger tip without support of any kind? Wow.

"Chi, is a Chinese word for energy."

If that's all there was to it, there would be no disagreement. That isn't all there is to it, though. There's all that "meridian" and "points" stuff which has to do with acupuncture, which is pseudo-science.

"I would love to show you some Shaolin monks, but what good is it to me?"

Well, if I actually did see them, I might be able to determine what trick they used to "balance" on one fingertip.

"Who said he stood for prolonged period of time?"

Point taken. Yes, the claim is NOT that he stood on his fingertip for a prolonged length of time, but I still don't buy the whole thing.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Apr 09, 2009  at  04:10 AM
I presume you mean tranditional acupuncture? As if it's pseudo-science I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be an accredited program with medical schools all around the world:

---
Acupuncture & Dry Needling is a therapeutic method used by specially trained physiotherapists to encourage natural healing, reduce or relieve pain and improve function of affected areas of the body. It involves the insertion of very fine needles through the skin and tissues at specific points on the body. There is no injection of any substance and the treatment itself causes minimal discomfort. Dry needling treatments may cause more discomfort if tight muscles are being released or if a muscle is being stimulated to increase strength. The soreness is temporary and improved muscle flexibility and strength is realized quickly. Physiotherapists who use needles must be on the acupuncture registry with the College of Physical Therapists of Alberta.


--

Or did you look this up via a hoax site, who are the authority on all things unknown?

http://www.bridgeport.edu/pages/2713.asp

http://www.csp.org.uk/director/members/groupsandnetworks/clinicalinterestandoccupationalgroups/complementarytherapygroups/acupuncture.cfm

or maybe this will be better because it is american, the Relative units for Physio degrees with acupuncture courses listed:

http://www.apta.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&CONTENTID=19045&TEMPLATE;=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm

or this which shows another American university, with an article on the acupuncture training it gives to its medical staff:

http://psychiatry.medicine.dal.ca/department/July04_2.pdf

I could go on and on. Perhaps this will make you more open to other theories, besides your own.
Posted by Ryan  on  Thu Apr 09, 2009  at  10:13 AM
"The Master of Science in Acupuncture program of the University of Breidgeport is accredited by the Accreditation Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (ACAOM), which is the recognized accrediting agency for the approval of programs preparing acupuncture and oriental medical practitioners."

So, this course is accredited by an outfit specifically set up to "accredit" "alternative medicine." This is like if some "accrediting" outfit owned by the Church of Scientology "accredited" a Scientology auditing course.

Believe it or not, sometimes, universities offer courses in fake stuff and quack medicine. Unfortunate but true.

For the CSP link, I refer you to my comment about Scientology.

A search for "acupuncture" on the APTA.org site seems to return only a piece about the director sending letters to newspapers in response to a news story which mentioned acupuncture and physical therapy. The purpose of the letter appears to be to promote the use of physical therapy, not acupuncture.

Your fourth link goes to a ten-page PDF of which ONE PARAGRAPH concerns a 40 hour workshop for health care professionals in acupuncture. It says "Addictions prevention and treatment services" was offering the course, but it doesn't say what the acupuncture was supposed to treat. Of course there is no indication whether the acupuncture had any effect at all on anything.

The hospital in question is in Nova Scotia, Canada, NOT the U.S., by the way, contrary to what you said.

You ought to take a look at the news story that APTA was responding to, by the way. It was about scientists actually TESTING "legitimate" acupuncture versus "fake" acupuncture. You might find it interesting.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Apr 10, 2009  at  04:55 AM
sorry i fail to understand i word you said about my post.
"What the HELL are you talking about?"
wtf do you mea? I said perfectly well before that ummm obama is definitely NOT the president and 9/11 us just some scam, I mean comon, do you really believe that some retard smashed 2 planes into a bulding AND it was caught on tape? (I hope you get what i'm trying to say here.)



sorry I really don't have too much time to spend on this.

don't snip my post and respond them individually. read as a whole./
Posted by same guy  on  Sat Apr 11, 2009  at  11:01 PM
same guy said:

"sorry i fail to understand i word you said about my post.
'What the HELL are you talking about?'
wtf do you mea? I said perfectly well before that ummm obama is definitely NOT the president and 9/11 us just some scam"

No, HERE is what you ACTUALLY said:

"as I said I do not see how your comments refute mine, as i have explained. hmmm so explain to me about 9/11 and Obama (which is black and that is why 97% blacks voted for him, regardless of his heritage people see him as black)"

Besides being ungrammatical, it also makes no sense and has NOTHING to do with the subject...bt other than THAT, it's fine.

I love your "reasoning" that the fact that a large number of black people voted for Obama somehow "proves" that he's black. He is, as I pointed out, half black and half white because of his parentage.

By your "logic," Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy are/were black. After all, a large majority of black voters voted for them, right? So there you go. Where do people get off saying that Obama is our first black president?

By the way, when, prior to that comment I just quoted, did you say anything about 9/11--and what would THAT have had to do with the subject of this thread?

Now that I have a better insight into your reasoning skills, I understand why you think a man who is nearly a centenarian can stand on one finger.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sun Apr 12, 2009  at  03:51 AM
GOD DAMIT DONT YOU READ

3. Your rebut against my obama analogy is pointless, you do not get the point of my argument,if I change it to "I refuse to believe that this man, Obama, is the president of the US"; it is still valid.

Since I never said that you can't prove anything unless you see it yourself, your "point," whatever it is, is moot.

you clearly said in previous posts stating that unless you see him performing it live in front of you without wire you will not believe. that is not gonna happen anyways because hes dead. But my point remains valid.READ SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M REFREING TO.


It has come to my attention that you ignore people's facts or things that you cannot rebuke, so you pick things that other people say that you can argue about, which in most cases are retarded and once that point is rebuked by another person you change the subject by arguing another point that person said. From now on, I will list everything that you said nothing about. and they are only from my post by the way.
And I'm not going to explain everything I say, so read.
copied and pasted from previous posts.
1. AGAIN, So how does flying link with physical training?
2.Your rebut against my obama analogy is pointless, you do not get the point of my argument,if I change it to "I refuse to believe that this man, Obama, is the president of the US"; it is still valid.
3. AGAIN, WHAT HE DID DOES NOT DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYICS.
4.Also seriously, how could you compare WWE to martial arts, those guys eat roid bars and gain weight so they can look tough... Bruce lee could probably punch through them.


there are probably way more, but I think it is a waste of time for me to explain things to you as you do not accept most things from the internet, which is the only real way of communication between you and me.


GOD, its like talking to caveman who can speak english, i certainly do hope someone else will open you mind..

peace out.
Posted by same guy  on  Sun Apr 12, 2009  at  08:36 AM
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