Morgellons Disease: Is It Real?

image Sufferers of Morgellons disease complain of invisible parasites biting their skin. And they get skin lesions from which sprout strange fibers. And mysterious black spore-like specks appear on their skin. Cases of this strange disease seem to be spreading, especially in the Bay area. One theory is that it has something to do with Lyme disease. Or it may be a case of mass delusion. The medical community seems to think it's mass delusion. Most people who show up complaining of these symptoms get diagnosed with 'delusional parasitosis', which is a psychological problem in which people imagine that they're infested by parasites. Not having any medical qualifications at all, I won't weigh in on whether this is a real disease or mass delusion, but some of the behavior of the patients does sound suspiciously bizarre. Take the case of Theresa Blodgett:

She gathers up the black specks, the mysterious fibers and the small, fuzzy 'cocoons' she finds on her skin and around her home. She tapes the macabre samples to typing paper, but she said no doctor will analyze the collection. Physicians who glance at the specimens dismiss the lot as stray hairs, clothing fibers, scabs and other common household debris, she said.

So either she really is suffering from something and is desperately but unsuccessfully trying to get doctors to pay attention to her, or she's obsessively collecting house dust and stray flecks of dirt and convincing herself that these things are parasites attacking her. (Thanks to 'K' for the links)

Health/Medicine Psychology

Posted on Thu Feb 10, 2005



Comments

I've checked all the links..
they work...
take a look at some "research"...
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  07:37 AM
"Stenotrophomonas maltophilia has been implicated in an increasing number of opportunistic infections, especially in immunocompromised patients." http://jrnlappliedresearch.com/articles/Vol3Iss2/Pendland.htm

"Stenotrophomonas (formerly Xanthomonas), a gramnegative bacillus is noted for its high degree of antibiotic resistance and pathogenic potential. It can be isolated from water sources including rivers, wells, a hypertrophic lake, bottled water, sewage, sink traps, factory residues and a variety of soil, plant and food materials. It is known to cause life-threatening infections in selected patients associated with immunosuppression, admission to the..."
http://www.kfshrc.edu.sa/annals/223_224/01-216.pdf
CASE REPORT
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  07:53 AM
I have
checked both of
the above links and
they both work. You will find these
studies interesting I'm sure.
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  07:59 AM
Rod, I would like to continue discussion on other matters that do not pertain to this board, however, I also want to continue here.

Could we correspond through email or some other means???
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  08:05 AM
If you want to correspond via email just post your email addresses here, and I'll delete them after a day or two (after you've had a chance to communicate).
Posted by The Curator  in  San Diego  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  08:19 AM
This post will be in two parts because the entire post was too long:
Well, it seems the first article I posted here actually did mention the boiling and carbonated water at the very end. ("Brain fog" - one of the symptoms of this disease.)
Thanks jaleenasmom for all the great links above - I will go check them out too. This is becoming so interesting as each new discovery takes us closer to a proper diagnosis.
I would like to ask Rod - Can you SEE Alzheimer's Disease? No. Do you see the effects of the disease? Yes. Diagnosis is based on clinical histology and most research and diagnosis is done post mortem.
Due to me being out of it with a fever of 103 and feeling a slight bit crappy over the past few days I have NOT gone into the research I have done on my own. In my OPINION, someone who has delusional parasitosis would not have the presence of mind to do such.
I purchased my own microscope because I wanted to see for MYSELF if samples taken from my sores looked like the pictures I was seeing or if they could have been enhanced or self-fabricated. My husband was right beside me as we conducted these experiments. First we did dry mounts...and sure enough...there were the fibers mixed among what you would see (I have learned) in a normal scab, which is sort of spidery vein looking marks! Then we did wet mounts. Once the scab was in wet mount, the spidery veins disappeared and the tissue takes on a golden yellow color and the fibers become highly visible. We must have tested at least 20 samples. All fiber masses were unique in design. On several samples I took notes. One of the samples had a fiber that protruded barely beyond the border of tissue. Upon examining the same slide the next day, the length of the fiber had grown beyond the border considerably. Under the microscope and to the eye it looked like about an inch, but microscopically I could not tell you the measurement. My husband and I both also plucked hairs from our heads, his arm, my arm, and a little "peach fuzz" hair from the back of my neck to see if these fibers could just possibly be hair. Laying the hairs next to the scab sample on the slide proved to be a negative. The hairs looked like giant trees compared to the fibers.
Another interesting discovery. For over a year now I had been telling my husband about a strange thing going on in our bathroom. Until all of this illness thing started I really had not been too concerned about it - just puzzled.
We have an "S" shaped bathroom situation with two half-baths on each end with the "shower and tub" portion in the middle. This can be closed off from both sides.
Posted by Victoria Moore  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  09:18 AM
I told my husband, "Honey it is so weird, there are all of these teeny tiny blue and red fibers all over the walls in our bathroom. I can't figure out why. We don't use blue OR red towels - we use white, beige and gold. And the really weird thing is that I can spray the wall down with Clorox Clean-up and get them off, but several days later, they are right back."
When I remembered the fibers in the bathroom I ran to collect a sample of them to look at under the microscope. THEY WERE IDENTICAL TO WHAT I WAS SEEING IMBEDDED IN MY SCABS!!!!!
I have gone on the investigate other rooms in the house. They are not present. (Which leads me to believe it has something to do with the moisture and water in the bathroom - which is what I have been saying all along - that our well water was not right. We should have had it tested right when we moved into this house like I wanted to do. But we didn't and I regret that now. We ARE having it tested next week, but they will have to go down into the well, because we are now on city water as of 3 weeks ago.
Being sick with this bronchial infection has produced a lot of phlegm in my chest. The first night I coughed up some bloody phlegm. Yesterday I coughed up a nice "loogie" and looked at it under the microscope...guess what...fibers were in it.
NOW I DO realize these fibers may be air born BUT we have also taken some scab samples from my husbands body from a couple of places where he cut himself on the job. Guess what? No fibers. If these things are present in my body, why NOT his. We spent equal time at home and equal time taking showers in the bathroom.
Another experiment - I took a cotton ball and soaked it with rubbing alcohol. I rubbed it back and forth across my arms and legs. The cotton ball ended up being coated with the blue and red fibers. I DID carefully examine the STERILE cotton ball (which I send my husband to the store yesterday for) and before I wiped my arms and legs with it, it was clean.
I did the same thing to my husband's body - NO FIBERS.
SO - does this mean my body is producing these things and giving them off, or do I have some kind of lowered immune function which allows them to invade my body and not his?
This is what I WANT TO KNOW.
And I am sorry, but I DO feel the itchy, crawly feelings all over my face, sometimes my legs, arms and back. It is real - I do feel it.
SO - that is my own personnal research so far.
Posted by Victoria Moore  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  09:23 AM
"More than 85% of our isolates were susceptible to ticarcillin
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  10:02 AM
Victoria, could it not just mean that they are in your home and your body picks them up? I think it very likely.
Anyway, here I go again.
Link 1.) If you don't have CF, how does any of this apply? Again, internal infection to your external.
Link 2.) Okay, this link again shows no external infection. All along you've been saying this is a new, rare bacteria. To quote "S.M., a bacteria that is commonly found almost everywhere in nature..."
Link 3.) Ah, the CDC. First place I looked before my very first post here. A good portion of the reason I think Morgellons is psychological (admitted bias, but no final decision, yet). To quote "...associated with opportunistic infections in patients with cystic fibrosis, cancer, and HIV." And the best quote, "S.M. can cause septicemia, endocarditis, conjunctivitis, mastoiditis, meningitis, post-operative wounds, abcesses, urinary tract infections, and pneumonia." Funny, your symptoms are not listed.
Also pertaining to link 3, google XANTHOMOMAS MALTOPHILIA. This bacteria and its effects, as well as drug resistance, have been well known and documented for a long time. Why is this important? Changing the name of X.M. to S.M., which is what they did, does not give this bacteria new properties or capabilities.
Oh, and yes, I get the idea that bacterium with a tail tend to be pathogenic. Mobility matters.
Link 4.) These people do not say S.M. is the cause. They say it MAY open up the body for a known type of infection by other types of bacteria. If it is a known type, then how can it be Morgellons?
Link 5.) WOW. Here they say flat out that they have a drug of choice to kill this bacteria. Meaning they know about it and can kill it. Is it some kind of conspiracy to not let YOU get your hands on it?
Link 6.) Meningitis fits your symptoms how?

"Only by focusing on anything that we can fit to our belief and ignoring everything that doesn't fit can we make these coincidences seem meaningful." - From Robert Todd Carroll, Skeptics Dictionary
Posted by Rod  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  10:41 AM
Okay, in light of the fact that you repeatedly ignore my refutations, I really expect no constructive responses from you. Every link that you have sent (that worked), I have shot down, mostly with common sense, but some with a little bit of research.

You have not proven your case. Come up with something more interesting than things which do not relate.

Also in light of your non-response to my pointing out the facts in the links you posted, I feel it is entirely unneccesary for you to get my email address just so you can ask me questions about your god. Or did you not think I knew that was what "private correspondence" was about?

Let's keep it public, so I can keep shooting you down as you try to make a case for something WITHOUT ANY PROOF.
Posted by Rod  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  10:47 AM
Oh, and the link all by itself in your last post? Are you still in the womb? If you are not, show how this information applies, please.
Posted by Rod  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  10:50 AM
Again - a two part post
Rod -
You DO realize you are coversing with two entirely different people here don't you? I am Victoria and live in North Carolina. The other person jaleenasmom lives in an entirely different state. We just happened to meet up on this web site after already connecting through another web site, but I posted here before I ever realized she posted here. You keep talking like you are addressing one and the same person. You are not.

I never referred to having meningitis. Nor have I asked for your private email address. From Victoria's point of view, let's DO keep it public.

I have even tried to politely present you with my own observations, not saying I have come to any conclusions, other than the fact that the other Morgellons sites are NOT fabricating or doctoring up photos.

Here are my symtoms, all documented through my family care physician, opthamologist, doctor of internal medicine, emergency room physician. YOU make a diagnosis based on these symptoms please.

Beginning two years ago:
Flash of light (almost like a camera flash going off) behind my right eye. It was an "explosion" of light, followed within an hour with an intense migraine headache that put me to bed. Upon awakening I had gray foggy floaters and a pinpoint of a very black spot that I chased around, but it would not go away.
Called my doctor - she ordered a CAT scan to rule out possible stroke or anuerism. Negative, she sent me to the opthamologist to see if it might be a detached retina - Negative - He could actually see the floaters, but said it was just stress related and that if I would reduce my stress they would go away. Took a trip to the beach - totally relaxed and de-stressed. They are still with me today and it is like trying to look through a thin veil at times. Guess what - Lyme Disease Symptom.

Stiff neck - can hardly move my head in the mornings - sometimes have to literally pick my head up with my hands because it hurts so bad.
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM

Strange cough at night for at least 3 months that never went away and was not connected to a cold at all. But also at the same time, a constant post nasal clear drip of fluid.
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM

Go on to Part Two of this post.
Posted by Victoria Moore  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  11:51 AM
Part Two
To Rod (and anyone else who wants to read!)"Brain fog" and forgetfulness, trouble with speech. Had recently been jumbling my words up and having difficulty getting my words to come out right and in the middle of a sentence forgetting what I am talking about.
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM
(I have ALWAYS had excellent memory skills and have received superior employee reviews and have been with the same employer for fifteen years.

High liver enzyme count
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM

Decreased white blood cell count
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM as well as Ehrlichia.
(A CBC shows decreased white blood cells (leukopenia), decreased platelets (thrombocytopenia); a granulocyte stain shows clumps of bacteria inside white blood cells; the platelet count shows decreased platelets (thrombocytopenia); liver enzymes show elevated transaminase; a fluorescent antibody test may turn positive for E. chaffeensis or granulocytic Ehrlichia (also comes from a tick bite.)
LINK:http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C352822.html

Here are the facts - Almost all Morgellons patients who are even BEING tested eventually test positive for Lyme Disease or related vector type infectious disease. Many receive false negative test results until the proper test is administered. There are two new tests that are more conclusive but they have not been approved by the FDA at this point for diagnostic purposes, so the labs can't even use them.
Posted by Victoria Moore  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  11:57 AM
By the way, I AM doing my homework!
Posted by Victoria Moore  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  11:58 AM
Victoria again,
I did not finish with my symptoms, but my doctor has my medical history and I have 37 out of 50 symptoms for Lyme Disease - plus the physical evidence of sores which are not created with my mind...CAN you NOT get it THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL that the biopsies from two labs reported finding a bacteria, but one they were unable to identify - what that means I don't know - it DOES NOT necessarily mean the bacteria they FOUND is S.Maltophilia. IF and I say IF Morgellons is caused by S.Maltophilia could it PERHAPS morph into another new bacteria. THAT has happened throughout medical history.
I am on a mission to find out what is wrong with me and I am sick, but I will DAMNED if I let anybody tell me this illness is delusional. I only wish I could be around the day the discovery is made to see the look on your face.
Posted by Victoria Moore  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  12:06 PM
You've hit the nail on the head, Victoria. Morgellon's Disease is common to people with THIN SKULLS. KnockKnock-Who's there-Morgellons-Morgellons Who?-Morgellons in the drinking water
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  01:11 PM
You could be right about that Hairy - not the THIN SKULL part, but the water part.
Posted by Victoria Moore  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  01:56 PM
OH MY FREAKIN WHATEVER.

Victoria, if you go back and read all of this totally pointless dissertation (I mean all of it, not just mine, yours too) you will see in my posts that I reply mainly to jaleelasmom. When I refer to you, I use YOUR name. See? Two names? See how that works? Basically I fire off a one-liner to you, who are showing absolutely no proof of any kind, and spend the bulk of my time with someone else. This is because all it takes to refute your posts is one line. I spend so much time with jaleelasmom because she, apparently, although I believe she is probably deluding herself, is actually looking for a cause for her symptoms and not just saying "This is it. It's true." Although she HAS, a few times, said that I should prove her wrong and she doesn't HAVE to prove her case; this is faulty reasoning.

So what you are telling me is to keep an open mind? That anything is possible? Well, if that is the way you feel, type those words out and send them to me. Go for it!

Triple Dog Dare ya.
Posted by Rod  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  02:18 PM
Oh, and I just gotta say VICTORIA that if there is so much evidence that it is lyme disease, ummmm, well....
Posted by Rod  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  02:26 PM
Oh, sorry, I said dissertation. Meant conglomeration. OH NO! Brain Fog! I'm in trouble.
Posted by Rod  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  02:32 PM
Rod,
Keep an open mind please and also keep in mind anything IS possible.

And I do apologize for making the comment about "voodoo". I am certainly NOT into that kind of thing. I would NEVER in all honesty wish this illness on anyone else.

It just hurts me to know there are so many other people out there who have the same thing I do and so far nobody really knows exactly WHAT it is or what EXACTLY causes it. I am trying to do everything within my own extremely limited capabilities to do some of my own research.
All I want is answers, that's all.

I promise I will no longer argue my case with you. I may come back here from time to time to post any new developments...but no more debates. I promise it this time.

I go in peace.
Victoria
Posted by Victoria Moore  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  02:33 PM
OKAY EVERYONE, READ THIS!!! Someone who is claiming that her disease is "real" and there is no way that it could be psychological is telling ME, and I quote "Rod,
Keep an open mind please and also keep in mind anything IS possible."

YOU are telling ME to keep an open mind? Get real. Open your own to the possibility that YOU are wrong. I have an open mind, and anyone who reads back through all of this crap can plainly see it.

Also, if you read my previous posts, I gave you people the most sure-fire way to get someone to study it. If your research capabilities are limited, expand them. Go to school. Don't tell me it's not possible to go. I'm pretty freakin sure that if I had a disease that nobody believed me about, I would do everything in my power, EVERYTHING, to prove to someone that it was real, not just telling them that it is, and getting all pissy when they don't believe me. I would want to cure myself so badly that I would do whatever it took... Working cleaning dishes to get the knowledge I needed. If this problem is so real, why don't you PROVE it?
When I had migraines, my local doctor would not believe that they affected me the way that they do. Hence, no medication, extended suffering, etc. So, I spent several weeks digging through everythig from Gray's Anatomy (being the biggest) to pamphlets I found on the bus (being the smallest) in and out of a University library doing my research. Finally, I wrote it all down and gave it to the doctor. I even photocopied all of my sources so that he wouldn't have to go to his own bookshelf to look them up. End result? I proved my point, and now I get the medication that I needed.

My point? Do your research. Prove your point. If it is affecting you so badly, do something about it other than whining on the net and to a doctor who won't listen.

No more debates? Is that not what brings answers?
Posted by Rod  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  03:06 PM
Sorry about no response, but I do have a 16 month old, I believe I stated this in an earlier post.

I also have a husband, and a MOTHER WHO HAS ROTTING HOLES ON HER NOSE AND NOW HER FACE AND DOESN'T WANT TO LEAVE HER HOUSE FOR FEAR OF SPREADING THIS TO OTHERS.

We went out of town today-about 200 miles away, one-way.

But "the bitch is back"!
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  06:12 PM
H.H.!
I have read some of your other post here on the hoax, and I think you're brilliantly funny! :lol:

Moremellons!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  06:14 PM
My best to Mom
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  06:36 PM
You miss my point, again, Rod.

1. No, I am not saying s.m. is a new bacteria. Of course it isn't, however, NEW STRAINS of s.m. are appearing as stated by one of these studies.

2. One study of a hospital in Turkey in 2001 showed an EPIDEMIC break-out of s.m. When studied, 97.5% were found to have s.m. infection on the SKIN.

3. The mutating s.m., some develop flagella, you get that one! I am PROUD OF YOU!

4. CDC does not list our symptoms because they do not accept our symptoms...yet... 😜

5. It's not that Menengitis fits OUR symptoms. Look again at the article with the s.m. in mind NOT Menengitis.

6. More later...this night.
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  06:44 PM
I forgot.

6. The INCREASING incidence of s.m. WORLDWIDE.
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  06:46 PM
Poor Rod!
Are you Paranoid too???
Me ask YOU questions about MY GOD???

YOU do not KNOW my God. Why would I ask you questions about something you know nothing of???

I think you are a very intellectual person. An interesting person and a VERY GOOD debater.

I do not mind keeping things "public", my suggestion was that I would like to discuss other things that do not exactly pertain to Morgellons besides here on this thread ABOUT Morgellons.

In my opinion, you are not "shooting me down". You are proving what is simply the case throughout ALMOST the entire medical community.
"I am smarter to believe in nothing, or delusional parasitosis, than in Morgellons. I will NOT accept what patients say they feel, no matter how many become "delusional".
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  06:57 PM
Thank you H.H.!!!
I tell her about these posts. I read them to her actually. Nothing much for her today all day except talk on the phone and watch t.v. Her eyes aren't that great anymore. Her flesh on her legs are necroting so badly! She tries to stay off of them as much as she can.
The only getting out she does is to the nursing home where my step-father is. He can't walk anymore, or talk much, and talk about brain-fog!!!!
She loves this stuff!
I am going to try to get her a web t.v. or something.
She justs loves your posts!
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  07:14 PM
1. New? Maybe. When they've got proof they will publish it. But they will not publish it until they have PROOF.
2. Okay, so you missed the part in the study (which I directly quoted, by the way) where they said that "S.M., a bacteria that is commonly found almost everywhere in nature..."
3. Not so tough. Like I said, many bacteria have "tails". Basic cell structure.
4. When they list your symptoms, I will believe it. You have to remember that these are some of the topmost scientists and researchers in the entire field. Do you really think that nobody there has heard of this? They spend hours a day on the lookout for possible outbreaks. Whether they take it seriously is judged by them.
5. Okay, ya lost me. Here is what I posted for this link--->"Link 5.) WOW. Here they say flat out that they have a drug of choice to kill this bacteria. Meaning they know about it and can kill it. Is it some kind of conspiracy to not let YOU get your hands on it?"
6. Of course the incidence of this bacteria is rising. SO IS EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE PLANET DUE TO THE RISING POPULATION. Murders, Marriages, Births, Death, Cancer, Lymphoma, EVERYTHING, because there are so many more people that the number of cases goes up and up. But check it out, the percentages stay within the same range, because it is not spreading, just getting more reports made on it.
I said it before and I'll say it again. I'm biased (guess which way?) but I have never made a decision so firm that if I see actual PROOF I will not reconsider.


As for the private email thing, sorry if I misunderstood, but religion was the only other thing that you ever asked me about. What else would you want to talk about?

And where did the quote at the end come from? You know, this one: "I am smarter to believe in nothing, or delusional parasitosis, than in Morgellons. I will NOT accept what patients say they feel, no matter how many become "delusional".
Posted by Rod  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  07:33 PM
Rod is an open-minded person.

A little stubborn, but just enough to make him a very intersting...I would say "soul"...would that offend????
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  07:36 PM
Wouldn't it be COOL to be the one discovering something instead of running to a book for the answer!!!!!!

I WOULD LOVE, I SAY, LOVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT I NEED!!!!

I WILL BE WORKING ON THAT PROBLEM TOMMOROW. In the mean time, I only have what I've got to work with and that is free-thought process.
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  07:39 PM
1. It's already published...it's on the WEB for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

2. COMMONLY found, 'tis true!!! Read this article again. S.M. bacteria are NOT supposed to be able to get past "host" defenses.

3. I CONCUR. Bacteria and viruses will mutate to MAKE SURE THEY LIVE. This is a WELL KNOWN, COMMONLY KNOWN MEDICAL FACT, as common as s.m. itself!!!

I have to PROVE to my daughter now that she MUST SLEEP.

BBL...
4. My congressman, John Tanner-D, TN, told me 4 days ago that the CDC basically does not recognize a "new" disease until "enough people are found to have it". He told me that at this point the only way to "make" the medical community listen is to gain more exposure on t.v., newspaper, basically main-stream media.

"Whether they take it seriously is judged by them." Are "they" the "god" of medicine? Judges by which the entire world must look to first in order to make something real that isn't?

5. No conspiracy here that I see. I DO see different microbiologists recommending 3 different drugs, all with limited success.

6. I AGREE.

The quote is what I hear doctors tell patients who have something wrong with them but they don't know what. Instead of 'fessing up and saying I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS, SO YOU MUST BE DELUSIONAL, is what I am seeing a lot of.
Or, they are choosing to say, I WOULD RATHER BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING THAN SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BECAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE SMARTER THAN THAT. Remember my post about I couldn't unrinate??? Remember I told you that doctor told me to seek psychiatric care because HE COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH ME? I wonder if doctor's egos are being "threatened"???
Hmmm...what if it's not a "delusional thing" but an "ego thing" with doctors. Although I do think the doctor that told me he didn't believe in Fibromyalgia is EXTREMELY egotistical. I saw him last night while I was out getting my mom some food. He saw me and he turned his head so fast I thought surely he had given himself whiplash!

:lol:

His wife noticed it too. She asked him what was wrong. He never looked back my way.

Apology accepted. :coolsmile: One thing I would like to know is what you think about this doctor telling me that I didn't have a PROVEN disease because he didn't believe in it. What would you have said to him if you had been in my shoes???

I am not sure if you live in the U.S. If not just say, don't have to tell me where you are.
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  08:11 PM
Like, what day and/time is it where you are now?

I don't think that doctors are scientists in the true meaning of research.

Most all doctors that I know on a personal basis never do research; they read books written by researchers.
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  08:17 PM
Ever take any psych courses?

Ever take philosophy??

I am philisophical but I do believe in God.
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  08:19 PM
According to Dr. William Cosby: "There's always room flagella." Amoeba only one who finds that funny? I'll need to do a chest exam, so if you have a parameceum, it's okay. I won't blush.
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  08:19 PM
Where do YOU stand on "Global Warming"?

Do you believe there are any government conspiracies, cover-ups?
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  08:21 PM
It's all about The Council. Right, HH, you fuzzy fomentor of falacious fables? Just don't get him started on The Phalanx. Dude's not right.
Posted by Raoul  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  08:59 PM
Step off, Raoul, or you'll never find what your looking for. I'll destroy it before I'll let you use it, I swear. They aren't ready, you fool.
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  09:03 PM
It's too late. It's in Sector Seven, we know that much. We'll find it, and then you'll be expendable. It's because you love them that you will fail, priest.
Posted by Raoul  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  09:15 PM
Don't force my hand, Raoul. I know things that you don't. I know who The Leb really is, and so will The Council, very soon. The plan will fail without me, and I say when they are ready, got it?
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  09:24 PM
They won't believe you, and you'll never get to prove it. You know that, don't you? Sidereals... I'll never understand you. Let it begin, then, traitor.
Posted by Raoul  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  09:34 PM
There's a fungus amungus :ahhh:

Does anyone have a parasites? I need to borrow them.

(Go easy on me...it's my first play on words publicly...)
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  09:35 PM
Try and post now, Raoul. Where was I? oh yeah, Morgellon's... This topic kinda grows on you, and I think we've barely scratched the surface.
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  09:45 PM
One has to be realistic...not being able to find something by available methods in science means nothing to the sick patient who recovers after many weeks/months of appropriate treatment.
http://www.canlyme.com/
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  11:25 PM
H.H. you've no idea how much surface Morgellons sufferers have scratched!!! :lol:


I love the smileys. I love to laugh! I love life!
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Sun Mar 06, 2005  at  11:27 PM
hello??????????????????
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Mon Mar 07, 2005  at  07:13 PM
Don't worry, not gone, just a little busy. Tomorrow I'll post.
Posted by Rod  on  Mon Mar 07, 2005  at  10:53 PM
:coolsmile: COOL.
Posted by jaleenasmom  on  Tue Mar 08, 2005  at  12:49 AM
Okay, I'm north of Montana. Central Time (ha, we never have to change our clocks!)
Anyway, I think that we've both got about all we're going to get out of this exchange. I saw and understood your point of view, and you saw my point of view.
At this point, there will be no agreement. We both know that. I've checked out all I can find on the net about this. I've even exchanged a few emails with a student at the UofS. All she looked up supported my point of view (not really surprising, you're fighting this, you knew what they'd say).
I really actually enjoyed this exchange. Believe it or not, this is the first debate of any sort I've had on the net (and I used computers way back when e-mail meant echo mail, not electronic).

Okay. Psych courses? No, but I've read the first two years of book-work for the university course.
Philosophy? No. I just read whatever intersts me... All kinds of stuff. Particularly intersted in "profiling"... huge fan of John Douglas. I've read the new testament three times (KJV twice, some weird baptist version the third time (it was printed in the late 1800s)), the old testament, the koran, all the "major" religious works... you don't just become an atheist without research (that's why 99% of scientists (physicists, etc, are atheists)). I've read Mein Kampf, several old "magical" books (not the instruction manual type, the philosophical type), and all kinds of weird and wonderful stuff. I once spent 2 and a half months digging through the law library at the university where I used to live. (Did you know that peyote is legal where I live? It's specifically exempt, written right in the criminal code. Not that anyone would ever know unless they stumbled on it.)
Posted by Rod  on  Tue Mar 08, 2005  at  10:26 PM
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