Most people think the musician Jim Morrison, lead singer for the Doors, died in Paris on July 3, 1971. But Gerald Pitts says that he "discovered Jim Morrison Living on a Ranch in the Pacific Northwest in the summer of 1998." According to him, Morrison is living a quiet life as an American cowboy "away from the Hollywood scene." Even though Morrison evidently engineered an elaborate death hoax to escape publicity, he agreed to appear on film for Pitts. You can buy a copy of this film for only $24.95 (shipping is extra). Pitts' site includes a video comparing the features of Jim Morrison the fifty-something cowboy to Jim Morrison the twenty-something singer. However, no matter how many times I watch the video, I just don't see any similarity.
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I never even met cliff,who the fuck is elizabeth
I am married fucking retard! Im married
Posted by keri raymer in rockford IL on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 03:56 AM ? ??????????????????????????????????????then what is this??????????????????
I am 33 I am to young! Sorry for the confusion! LOL I made up a name being FUNNY!
Dont take these comments seriously..We all understood that you were being ironic when you saids you were Jims daughter..well those people who followed the debate anyway. (I hope my English is ok ..cos I'm writing this with an English guy sitting next to me) I wish people wouldn't butt in to the debate without reading what said before..and just slamming those folks who have an opinion..whether Keri, Lizard or Aries.
I hope that the stuff that I had closes something for the fans..but I cant guarantee it so..I cant even guarantee that it will ever be showed..I hope so, just so I dont seem..and my Uncle dont seem a liar.
I know nothing exept I think it disgraceful to mock a womans miscarriege so stop this now! This debate is turning so horrible it is unseemley and nasty..my own girlfriend had a miscarriage a month ago and I am very upset.
Lizard I completely mis understood your reference to meatloaf..so more fool me!...I will also concur that plagery isn't a suitable word..I dont see Lizard has plagerised anything..and I further announce that John Donne cant wipe Rimbauds butt..Rimbaud!was at least in Africa!!!..think of "wild Child" and you have the essence.
Keri ..I'm so sorry for the loss..believe me..I'm so sorry
andreii
I see everyone is being nasty to eachother again...or maybe I should read all comments before writing.
Good Night al...sweet dreams
Andreii
Gary Patterson, Coast 2 Coast Radio, and more. To my understanding, nobody has said that it is NOT Jim.
Well in any event... You are telling us to believe that you offered "this guy"/"gery", 300,000 dollars to hang out
with Jim with 4 friends and he said buy the video. AND based upon your anonymous rant and claim we should
believe you over anyone else regardless of the evidence and hard work they have done, and give up this debate.
My gosh, you are a bit of an idiot if you think your opinion passes muster.
Further, your post is an insult to anyone's intelligence that you expect to believe it. INCLUDING Gerald Pitts.
I am not saying that I believe that the guy in Oregon is Jim but...
He, as I, probably think you are a nutcase and a bull shitter. And although he would like everyone in the world, including nut cases,
to buy his video, he probably wants nothing to do with meeting you or setting up a meeting with you.
And I doubt any of us seriously believe that you would deliver on your 300,000 promise.
Further, Jim isn't hiding, and I happen to know that he WILL hang out with you and some friends for 300,000 dollars.
He is easy to find, just Google him.
What people don't know is that it is claimed that Jim's body was in the Medical Institute In Paris. Theres a book out by someone who went to Paris and to the Institute..and Jim's name was no where in the database, yet the doctor who examined his body there said he remembered seeing Mr. Morrison. The book I believe was published circa 1990.
There are other reports by people who said they were at the apartment, that Jim was laid out on the bed and dry ice was used to keep his body cool. Bill Siddons flew to Paris but never looked inside the nailed cheap coffin.
IF he did die, surely Pam would have had him cremated knowing a flurry of people would forever flock his grave, something Jim did not want..he wanted privacy and peace.
About the picture in Rodeo West. I have one that was on that site of the Jim look-alike standing next to the blonde man. That picture was only on the site a day or two, then taken down permanently. THAT picture looks very much like Jim did where a young JM smiled in a goofy way. This elder JM pic is exactly the same way.
I certainly dont look like I did 20 years ago..most people wouldnt recognize me.
My conculsion is that either Jim did die, suicide or bloodclot in the lung OR he went to a hospital, recovered and is living in Europe with funds being directed to him by a third party. Who really knows? We never will because IF he is alive, he will never reveal himself.
I believed it to for a while,And there has been so many things said its crazy,but really in the end if he died he's gone,or if he's alive he don't want to be bothered,It's just funny how these idiots ramble on over and over and over! AND THOMAS,KISS MY %%%,I HAVE A GREAT LIFE YOU DON'T KNOW ME AND IT'S MYSPACE I CAN PUT WHATEVER I WANT ON THERE,IF I WANT TO SAY JIM IS ALIVE AND LIVES IN MY BASEMENT I CAN,IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT TO BAD SO SAD! AND I NEVER SAID MY NAME IS ELIZABETH RETARDS,I SAID ITS PRETTY EASY TO CHANGE YOUR NAME AND SAY YOUR SOMEONE YOUR NOT,IF YOU COULD READ YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I WROTE....
Today I finished reading ALL the posts on this site. It really makes me wonder why the Morrison family does not have the body exhumed to make sure there is a body in there, and if there is, DNA to see if its Jims.
From what I gather, Admiral Morrison does not speak about Jim (except in a few statements from "The Doors by the Doors" book.) When Jim was placed in the Medical Institute in Paris, I wonder if there was any autopsy or photos that we don't know about and sent to the Admiral to confirm his son was indeed deceased. I would never be able to take the word of a foregin embassy that my son/daughter died in another country unless I saw proof or had the grave exhumed.
Now that I've read all the posts, yes, there are two pictures from the Gerald site that resemble Jim. How could Jim even be in this country when Florida has not yet given him a pardon. He surely would have had to go through the appelate process and get those charges dropped so he doesnt face jail time. IF the government knew he was alive, they would find him would they not?
Im just throwing questions out there.
Heres some other intresting facts: When Brian Jones died, Jim wrote and dated his "Ode to Brian Jones" July 3 (the day Jones died). That handwritten note by Jim is in one of the latest books with some poems, pictures given by his family. If Jim committed suicide, perhaps he wanted to do it on the same day as Brian Jones, July 3. Then again, there are pictures on the internet of Jim and Pam only about a week before he died. (he's wearing the eggplant colored shirt and she in a long black cape/coat). He looks FINE to me here and he is not overweight at all... he is slim. He is smiling as he and Pam are photographed, sitting at lunch and walking about Paris. How then, does Mr. Raisson (spelling), one of the fire-brigade attendees say he saw a "fat man in a bathtub". Jim was not fat as proven by pics taken just before that.
When we are in water, we look heavier, but this gentleman also states they took his body out of the tub and placed him on the bed. Would he not see how slim Jim was at that point.
So yes, there are a lot of holes in the story. The timeline. Pam's drug dealer the Count, who flees the country when he finds out Jim Morrison is dead and takes MaryAnn Faithful with him.
No one is telling the truth. Not Pam, and she is the only one who could ever have told the truth.
So the solution comes back once again...exhume the body (if there is one in there) find out what killed this person, take DNA. And if it is the great Jim Morrison our answers can finally be put to rest.
I feel as fans, we are owed that much to know the truth, and the truth is only an exhumation/DNA away.
What I wanted to point out was if this is indeed (one of the men photographed) Jim Morrison why isnt The Doors Corporation and the Morrison family suing RW to put a stop to this? Do they know something we dont? There is also a video out there using advertisement with Light My Fire for the same. Here is something I noticed:
In the RodeosWest statement, they say this is Jim Morrison of the "Doors". There is a big difference between the words, "The Doors" and
the "Doors." RW is using the latter, which may make legal action difficult. John Densmore, as you all know, took Ray and Robbie to court for using the name "THE DOORS OF THE 21ST CENTURY".
That was because the word "THE DOORS" was inclusive in the title. Gerald Pitts has excluded the word "THE" from the official title saying only the "DOORS". Perhaps this is the way he has avoided prosecution?
Then again, RW is claiming this is Jim Morrison and sent all kinds of correspondence to The Doors Management without any response. You can't pretend to be someone on the internet and claim to truthfully be so without legal problems yet neither The Doors nor the Morrison Family has tried to shut the site down.
Any thought on this one, as to why no action has been taken..the site is still up there.
Barb
On youtube you will find an interview with Ray joking that Jim is alive as a cowboy in Oregon. Other people say why should the Doors investigate RW when it is just a flybynight organization out to make a buck.
The truth of the matter is that RW has been around for almost 10 years and has invested what little resources it has to try to break out what it knows to be true. Until the 5million dollar law suit won by John Densmore (thank you Mr. Densmore!), no one could touch the Doors/Riders On the Storm/of the 21stCentury but now the glass spider is shattered. The truth will be known to everyone. In the meantime, true Jim Morrison fans have made their hearts known.
I wonder what it would take to get someone to has one of these types of cameras to look underground. It also comes to mind that Pam may have had Jim cremated and scattered his ashes in one of his favorite places in France. There is at least one person on the Doors board who knew Jim that stated she didnt think he was buried there, she had a lot of doubts. I have serious doubts that he is buried there as well.
JLizard, I have an open mind about Jim's sudden disappearance. Only a few people saw his body. I also have questions about his disappearance like was it suicide or did someone kill him. Notice all the Nixon-era "rebels" were gone in a flash, Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison..and even Lennon. It wasn't until Lennon made his last album that he was taken out. Yet his killer isn't in a psych ward and there was no trial. Some people think government conspiracy to take out the "rebels" of our society, especially such influential and charasmatic people like the above.
Do you believe personally that Morrison is alive? I think if anyone wanted to escape forever and leave everything, he would be the one to pull it off. He was beating to a different drum than Lennon or Hendrix or anyone else. I really wouldnt be surprised one day if we found out he was living in Saychilles (like Ray mentioned) or some remote part of the world, having $$$ funnelled to him through a third.
Im going to write more about this subject, read below!
Let me share a few things with you. I grew up in Long Island and myself and the boy across the street were good friends since age 3. He was also friends with my brother. His sister still lives in the house across the street from my mother. His name is Richie. He had married someone who was very abusive to him physically (my brother used to tell me horror stories) and Richie told me in our early 30s things that were going on. He divorced his wife, she married someone in a crazy cult, Richie was able to get his 3 children away from them and he fled to Florida. He was very close to his sisters, as they all lived in the same house. He told me he was moving to Florida..and that was it..he disappeared. His sister told my mother they have never heard from him since and they are unable to track him down.
His sister said the ex-wife's husband had put a contract out on his life because he had the kids. Yet when I wrote to her two years ago at Christmas, she told me she heard from Rich about 7 years ago but not since.
Funny she told me and my mother two different stories. Maybe thats because I dont live there at the time. Obviously the sister is protecting Rich so no one knows his whereabouts..it happens!
Also my husband's grandfather pulled a fake death as well. My father in law lived with his dad until age 8..he was alcholic and told me his father died but he was too young to go to the funeral, he was sent to live with an aunt.
My father in law hired people about 10 years ago to track down where his father was buried and found out, his father had moved to California, got married had children, apparently quit drinking because he lived to be 86. When my father in law was telling me about his father 30 years ago, and how he died, etc. the man was actually alive at the time and living in California! And he had even told me the details of how his father was in a hospital dying from alcoholism and died in his early 30s... so, anything can happen!
JLizard, can you tell me if you honestly think Jim is alive?
I was hoping that one day his brother/sister would have his grave exhumed or flown to the US. If it were my brother, I would want DNA testing to see what killed my brother. They can do DNA and testing on bones thousands of years old.
Funny thing is the word we have to type in the above box to get this printed is "door". I thought that quite unusual.
My word was clear. It took about 2 weeks before press told the world about the admiral's passing. This coupled with the 5 000 000 dollar lawsuite John and Family won should have Ray and Robby squirming to tell the truth soon.
Yes, Jim's dad passed Nov. 17th and the date it trickled down to the public was approx. Nov. 28th, when someone who knew Jim posted it on
THE DOORS website. Eleven days is indeed a long time to make the Admiral's passing known. I also wonder why it took his parents almost 20 years to visit Jim's grave.
Yesterday I read Alain Ronay's version of what happened July 2, 3. He had spent most of the 2nd with Jim. According to this version, he (Alain) and Agnes Varda were called to the apartment. Alain's story makes it sound as if Jim was left to lie in the apartment, with the "ice man" coming on a regular schedule to put dry ice on Jim's body. Alain makes no mention of his body being taken to the Medical Institute for 3-4 days and leaves the reader to believe Jim was left in the apartment the entire time.
Do you think John Densmore knows more than we do about Jim??
I notice our debate is once again turning in circles..so for the sake of those who do not know the proceedure for disposal in France I will repeat.
1) In any suspicious death, the local police are called in to verify that there is a corpse
2) A local Corroner is called by Police to decide if there is "Foul play" involved
3)Whether of not "foul play" is involved the police decide whether to issue an investigation.
There was no investigation with regard to Jim...also those from America must understand thad cremation is extremely rare here..it seldom happens.
Also in France we protect our dead...we dont rip them out of their graves just to satisfy the morbid curiosity by doing DNA..or skull reconsruction! although I understand why fans would want it
I am out of this discussion, but I wanted to tell about how things work in France..it maybe not how it is in your home..but it works for us French
Best Regard
Andreii
Thank you for your post in sharing the French procedures. I do understand they are different than ours.
I do have one question though. Jim was taken to the Medical Institute in Paris.. back in 1971 would you know if that was a hospital? I am not sure of the translation of medical institute or it that what the French would call a funeral home.
Today would have been his 65th birthday. As I said I try to keep an open mind, but deep down I dont believe he is alive, so I'll end this discussion and hope that all of us fans remember him on this day...also John Lennon.
Peace,
Barb
But the whole thing is also absurd in some ways... And some of the pictures on the Rodeos West site are sketchy, as if the guy looks different entirely from other pictures, and the arms are blotted out in a couple pictures, and the resolution is very small. Anyway, I'm 99% sure it's a scam, regardless, but there is that little glimmer of possibility that it really is Jim. I'm not ruling it out yet, at least, but I'm also not paying for that video, either, knowing it's likely a hoax. My further comments are in the first comments to that YouTube video.
Just when I thought we were all done you posted with that incredible you tube comparison!
I have to say the similarities are remarkable.
Makes you wonder...AGAIN.
Thanks for sharing,
Barb
So my first thought upon seeing the "Jim Morrison is alive in Oregon" video by rodeoswest was, ah, I don't think so... I was quite certain he had died in Paris as reported, and was probably lucky to have lived that long, even, with the excess he was known for. I'm still 95% sure that it has to be a scam, regardless, but that other 5% is pretty intriguing the more I think about it.
I have no desire to buy the video, with the skeptic in me still more certain that it's a hoax... so I can only comment on what's available online. But I'll come at this from that intriguing 5% POV, because, let's face it, that's a lot more interesting.
Aside from any possibilities of fakery (which there certainly might be), people have commented how that doesn't look anything like Jim, but it really does, especially if you consider that 37 YEARS have passed since 1971. People age in different ways, and I think it's very much in the realm of possibility that Jim could look like that at this point.
For those that say that he couldn't have survived this long with his drinking and drug use, well, in one sense I think he would have had to stop that at some point, but then again, Keith Richards is the same age as Jim Morrison would be. Nuff said...
As for the idea that he's a cowboy raising horses now being absurd... that actually rings true for me. I'm sure it wasn't an immediate transition from worldly rock god poet to country cowboy living on a ranch, but you can't presume what kind of directions life will take you. Certainly, if Jim did fake his death, his life must have taken some different directions after that point. My life is quite different today than it was about 10-12 years ago, and again, we're talking about 37 years here.
The voice on the recording is also convincing after hearing it a few times... Similar kind of expression as Jim... Sure, it doesn't sound like the warm and round tone we know from The Doors, but it sure sounds like someone after years of alcohol and cigarettes. Remember, it's been 37 years. I believe I've heard recordings of Morrison from 1970-71 where he sounded a lot like that. And though he seems to be straining, you can kind of hear that classic Morrison croon when he sings.
(cont. below)
That he says "ride" instead of "try" doesn't bother me at all... We have to assume that he hasn't been obsessively singing Doors songs for 37 years, and just because you wrote some lyrics doesn't mean you can remember them. I'm a musician and songwriter and there are songs of mine that I performed many times just a few years ago that I'd have trouble remembering the words to now.
Why would he come out now after 30+ years and have some rodeo guy in Oregon represent him and promote him (barely)? I might say, precisely for the reason that is given... because Gerald became friends with him. I mean, gee, I don't know... you'd think he'd be wary of telling anybody he's still alive, but at the same time, there could be that old rock star in him that might want a little of that old recognition.
Not that Jim Morrison hasn't had huge recognition since his death... of course he has... but I'm talking about current recognition of who you are now... They may have realized that to put this idea out there would be jeered and not believed by many people, anyway, so what's to lose. Or maybe, if it is the real Jim, he's having a laugh with it. Or maybe he's not, um, entirely in the best state of mind to really know what to do anymore in terms of publicity.
To emphasize again, he'd be 64 now, and with many years (or at least those years in the 60's and early 70's) of heavy drug and alcohol use in him. I'm just trying to draw a psychological portrait that might fit with what we've been given. Not to insult Jim if it really is him... if he stopped his heavy drinking then he's probably okay now... But at this point he might be a bit of an old kook, you know what I mean? And that would help to explain the nature of this whole thing.
The website does seem a little disingenuous, though... There are only a few pictures of small size, there are photos that include obvious painting over the arms (covering up tattoos, it looks like), there are references to Ray Manzarek admitting on video that Jim is alive where Ray is obviously being sarcastic... Certainly, more could be done to show definitively that the guy is THE Jim Morrison. I don't know, but then again, you wouldn't expect the best presentation from some rodeo guy...
Again, my rational self tells me this is a hoax and a scam, but there are a number of things about it that seem very plausible and so it is, if nothing else, interesting to consider. It's a screwy story if it is true, but what a story if so... Here's hoping we get more information.
The quote below is from: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/press_releases/jim_morrison_ceremony_the_truth_about_the_oregon_cowboy.html
Jim Morrison, singer and poet of the musical group
I appreciate your comments on the youtube video. I would like to comment about the picture of Rodeo's Wests' "Jim Morrison."
In the seated picture of him holding the gun, it does look like Jim. I, along with some friends, took that picture, blew it up, lightened it, darkened it, printed it out..and compared it to another pic of Jim in the same position looking straight on.. and the resemblance is striking.
When you look at the left side of the picture by Jim's jaw, one side is slightly larger than the other.. in both pictures, and in all of young Jim's pictures you see the same thing.
We compared the eyes, jaw, mouth... printed out the young Jim picture and we came up with
a)someone either photoshopped the "old" Jim or
b) its someone who would look like him or
c)it is him.
About the audio on RodeoWest. My friends and I did our best comparing Moonlight Drive in that audio to the way Jim sang it on several different versions. One thing stood out and we all agreed: the way the last two words are sung sound like the way young Jim sang it.
Listen to the way he says DRIVE. We made comparisons to a live version as well, and they are the same.
Also, we made comparisons to the way "old" Jim said Ray Manzareck's name to the way young Jim said it upon introducing Ray in a live concert. Sounds exactly the same. "Old" Jim could have picked up a slight accent in the 37 years he disappeared.
Just speculating..
What an amazing story. I am sincerely sorry that I went off on ya, I just felt that you were being sarcastic. I know I wasn't there for Jim when he was with the DOORS, but I am now. Now when everyone has turned there back on him for money.