The Legend of Midgetville

image For Christmas I received a great book, Weird U.S.: Your Travel Guide to America's Local Legends and Best Kept Secrets by Mark Moran and Mark Sceurman. Immediately I flipped through it to find anything about San Diego, and soon came across the legend of Midgetville.

Midgetville refers to the legend of a town consisting of scaled-down houses built for little people. Midgetville is said to exist in various places throughout America. As Moran and Sceurman note, the most credible rumor locates such a town in Jefferson Township, New Jersey, on the former estate of circus mogul Alfred T. Ringling. There really is a collection of small-sized houses there that could conceivably have once been home to a colony of midgets. However, another very persistent legend locates a Midgetville in San Diego.

Moran and Sceurman don't go into much detail about the San Diego Midgetville, but I realized that I had heard this legend before (my wife had also heard it). This is how it goes: back in the 1930s a group of little people who had made a lot of money in Hollywood appearing in movies such as The Wizard of Oz supposedly came down to San Diego and built a collection of miniature houses on Mt. Soledad where they could live in comfort together. But of course, nobody seems to know exactly where on Mt. Soledad this group of small houses was or is, though everybody has heard of a "friend of a friend" who once accidentally found the houses (though this FOAF can never remember how to get back there).

Determined to find the houses, I did a google search and came across an article from 2003 written by Kenneth Smith for the Daily Aztec detailing his own efforts to track down San Diego's fabled 'Munchkin Houses'. After many false starts, he finally discovered that they were most probably "a group of four cottages on Hillside Drive in La Jolla... built by famed architect Cliff May." Although no midgets or little people were ever known to live in these houses, Smith says that, "The houses do indeed have smallish features, accentuated by an optical illusion. The steep road that passes them makes them seem even smaller than they actually are." Unfortunately only one of the four cottages remains standing, but Smith provides directions to find it: "take Hillside Drive from Torrey Pines Road. The house will be on your left-hand side. Look for the crazy midget handwriting." He also mentions that if you peek through the window (the house is unoccupied) you'll see "cobblestone-like tiled floors and a little round fireplace."

Of course, I had to see this for myself, even if no colony of Wizard-of-Oz midgets had ever lived there. So on New Year's Day I convinced my wife to accompany me on a search for the Munchkin House. The results were mixed. It was no problem finding Hillside Drive, but as it turns out Hillside Drive is fairly long. We were driving up and down it (as a line of cars formed behind us) wondering 'exactly which house on the left did he mean.' None of the houses leaps out at you and screams 'Munchkin House.' But finally we settled on one house that we figured must be it: Seventy-Four Seventy-Seven Hillside Drive. It had small windows and a small door. Plus, the address written beside the door looked a bit like 'crazy midget handwriting' (though I think Smith was joking about this). Ignoring the 'No Trespassing' sign (even though part of the legend of Midgetville is that the midgets who live there fiercely defend their land from the Bigs), I peeked through the window and saw the cobblestone-like tiled floors and a little round fireplace. So I think I found the Munchkin House, though I'm not 100% sure. It's certainly not anything that would catch your attention if you weren't specifically looking for it since it's really not that small, which made the trip a bit disappointing. But the weird thing is, I've already forgotten how to get back there.

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Comments

Ok there is a midgetville in Claremont hills. Straight up monte vista but this one you cant drive to they have the dirt road blocked. It is the scariest thing at night because there are all kinds of kinds warning you not to go any farther. There have been stories of dogs being let loose and rocks being thrown at tresspassers. I still have yet to see a midget. Im not stopping to i see a little person!!!!
Dont go by yourself!
Posted by Marz  on  Thu Feb 19, 2009  at  10:17 PM
Nothing on fort worth?
Posted by taylor  on  Sat Feb 21, 2009  at  10:06 AM
Ok, SO ive always heard about this Migetville in Claremont Ca. I went this weekend to see if it was true.. I couldnt find it. I heard its on some road with a DEAD END sign.. But all i saw was a road with Orange cones blocking the road.. Is that it?? Can someone please help me??
Posted by Courtney  on  Tue Feb 24, 2009  at  01:30 PM
THE MUNCHKIN LAND IN LONG BEACH IS IN VIRGINIA COUNTRY CLUB. THERE IS A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND THE ROAD INTO THE TRACK IS JUST PAST THE SCHOOL. (BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE RIVERBED) YOU TAKE THE ROAD BACK TO A SMALL GROUP OF HOMES. THEY LOOK A LITTLE SMALLER THEN NORMAL, AND ALL THE DOOR KNOBS AND GARAGE DOOR HANDLES ARE LOWER THEN NORMAL. BUT NO SMALL PEOPLE. JUST PEOPLE WITH PRETTY COOL HOMES.
Posted by BILL  on  Wed Mar 04, 2009  at  01:56 PM
I just took the family on a drive up to the so-called Midgetville in Claremont, CA and there is no such thing. We were going to buy a house up there in 2002 and we ventured far up into Palmer Canyon and there was no little area of little people. I have lived in this area for the last 12 years and have only encountered a little person maybe once or twice during that time...
Posted by Claremont Gal  on  Sun Apr 19, 2009  at  05:32 PM
Well, as far as Midgetville being in Montecito,CA (notice correct spelling), those of us who have lived here for 40+ years have never referred to it as such. Although Periwinkle Lane is a charming little street, it was not built for midgets. Most of the houses were designed by the Moody Sisters. They were contemporaries of and friends of Lutah Riggs who worked with George Washington Smith. The Moody Sisters also designed the houses on Rosemary Lane in Santa Barbara. Each one has an interesting story.
Periwinkle Lane is not off of Olive Mill, it is just off the intersection of San Ysidro Road and East Valley Road. It is East of San Ysidro Road and North of East Valley Road. Although it is not a private road, it is narrow and most of us help protect the privacy of those who live there by staying away unless we are invited. Ironically, one of the owners of a home on Periwinkle was Billy Barty's sister, and he was a little person.
Posted by Anonymous  on  Sun May 17, 2009  at  08:59 AM
I think so far the legend of Fort worth's midgetville is the craziest, and probably true. A stable....church....mini restaurant that served the best burgers in fort worth. I've heard quite a few but if there's any more info on the fort worth's site or interesting others post.
Posted by taylor  on  Sun May 17, 2009  at  08:59 PM
In Downey Calif there were several really small houses we called the munchkin houses. I belive they were on just one side of the street.I think they were northwest of Rives/Imperial. I had forgotten where they were and wanted to see them again (1979), but my girlfreind refused to take me back because she said they creeped her out too
much. They were kinda creepy I guess.
Posted by Alan  on  Wed May 20, 2009  at  08:22 PM
Haha finally, I have found the midgetville in fort worth on google earth, actually Microsoft's live local. Found the mini church then the stables, then the houses. I believe its the first one to be found from satilite pictures.
Posted by taylor  on  Sat May 23, 2009  at  09:09 PM
I recently visited the two rumored "midgetvilles" on Long Island (Oakdale & North Merrick). Growing up here, I've always heard the rumors but never got the courage to go explore...until last night. The midgetville in Oakdale was questionable. The road (Princess Gate) is super narrow, poorly lit and weird. I'm not sure if it was a legit midgie town or not but it was definatly creepy. The second midget colony in North Merrick (Peck Ave) was something else. I went to input the address into my GPS and it gave me some kind of creepy message that claimed it couldn't take me to the specific address but it could take me to the general town of North Merrick (which leads me to believe that the government is protecting these midgies for some reason). Again the roads were super narrow and the houses were itty bitty. This one had cute, brightly painted houses and little narrow doors. My friend wanted to get out and explore them up close but I refused - in fear that a midgie would wake up and get angry. Since it was late at night we weren't able to see any midgies but we plan on visiting again during the daytime.
Posted by Lauren  on  Wed Jul 08, 2009  at  10:15 AM
I went to the fort worth site the other day while I was in the vascinity. Last time I had been there was at night, and there was one sign in front of a gate and keypad, a sign that stated this was goverment assigned land. Needless to say, the sign was gone after that night.

Driving down this road, I came to the gate, and now brand new signs with a newly stated "hefty fine" in big red letters. I pulled up and made a u-turn and went down an adjacent street and did the same. As I was driving back towards the ominious gate, and all of a sudden an all black, non-descript ford explorer pulls up, as if he was going to punch a number in that keypad. He then throws it in reverse as I drive past him, much like I did seconds before. It was not yet night, and then man pulls behind me, lights blaring. For the next few blocks it was easy to tell he was just trying to get us away from there. There is a walking trail right next to the land, so I'm not done searching yet, but one thing is for sure, there's something back there, they don't want locals knowing about.
Posted by Taylor Again  on  Wed Jul 08, 2009  at  06:10 PM
That place on Hidden Road in Fort Worth holds such memories. I saw the village when it was active with those little folks and thought it was the coolest thing going. I was a teenager back in the 60s, when the village was populated. It was right down the street from a top-notch art teacher that mentored me for my art career.

I wonder if what you saw was the super-duper private guard patrol for the Bass Family compound. They may have bought that property to go with the huge compound next to it. I was riding a bike near the fence a few years back and these tough guards appeared out of no-where. That can be disconcerting...Hahaha! Then again perhaps the new socialists Federal SS under the current regime is preparing some evil suppression/containment for the common citizen-serfs. When our US money ends up only good for toilet paper we might become unruly.
Posted by Tommy  on  Thu Jul 09, 2009  at  11:16 AM
Haha. I actually considered that. I saw the compound (ha) on windows live local and saw the beyond gorgeous sight of pools and amazing landscape in nimiety. On windows live local if you look beyond the gate the church and other homes, and I believe stables, can be seen. Thanks for the information.
Posted by taylor  on  Thu Jul 09, 2009  at  09:44 PM
Taylor, thanks for posting the info about the satellite pictures of M-ville. Really interesting to see those images, especially the church.

Sure would like to wander around and see those buildings though. Wonder if they have it where it cannnot be approached.
Posted by dx  on  Fri Jul 10, 2009  at  10:06 PM
Oh no problem, I searched hidden road and all around for a while till I found it, and I was shocked. The main entrance you can't get through, but there is a walking trail right next to the woods, so I'm not giving up.
Posted by taylor  on  Sat Jul 11, 2009  at  05:26 PM
The satellite images show the grounds of Midgetville to be in very pristine condition. I am curious what they use it for now. Would be cool to see if the buildings are in decent condition and what their use if any is.

If you are sucessful in getting in there, take good notes and advise!
Posted by dx  on  Sat Jul 11, 2009  at  07:18 PM
i live in a house out here in pennsylvania 12x18 im small as people say and live a wonderous life of you tall people you's search for places like myin for what reason were humans just like you's come to my area you will be chased away by alll of us have a nice one tallll folk's.....
Posted by steve  on  Mon Jul 13, 2009  at  06:49 PM
Yeah, dx, its amazing. Behind the church there is a street of small houses that can barely be seen via the trees casting a well guarded canvas. And as for you Steve (if you are who you say you are). After that pointless diatribe, all you have proven is your obvious imbicility. Before you tediously testing yourself with the "almighty" internet, learn how to complete a fucking sentence. You are only ridiculed because you choose to hide. As we have learned from the government, the best hiding place, is plain site.
Posted by taylor  on  Mon Jul 13, 2009  at  08:20 PM
Are*.

And for those of you in Pennsylvania, Steve here, has in fact...validated the myth of the midgetville, there.

Great job Steve. You have done better than any of us in confirming these persistant, continental rumors. Congrats gentleman, one down.
Posted by taylor  on  Tue Jul 14, 2009  at  12:14 AM
Hey "Steve from Pennsylvania"...you crack me up! Threaten to be "chased away". Wow, now THAT's scary! Almost as scary as you & your little buddies running full steam, forehead first into one of those "tallll folks" boots.

Take it easy, little fella. Just as you would look at a village of armless people or something, people are going to look at you. I
Posted by JIMI  on  Tue Jul 14, 2009  at  11:43 AM
I feel for you Jimi, and good job sir. I was starting to think me and dx were only ones posting anymore, haha.

I don't find midgets funny, nor do I find midgetville laughable. But only oddities in my own home town.

Shit, oddities of this country of mine. Sacrificing a glimpse into yesteryear.
Posted by taylor  on  Tue Jul 14, 2009  at  04:21 PM
Hey Taylor,

It
Posted by JIMI  on  Tue Jul 14, 2009  at  05:03 PM
Hey Taylor,

I just re-read my posting. I hope you don't think that I was getting on you (it sounded a little that way). I was just typing my thoughts. Those two DVD's that I listed are really good. I totally recommend them to both the midgets AND the tallll folks!

Oh, and one more clarification, my ex-wife
Posted by JIMI  on  Tue Jul 14, 2009  at  05:11 PM
Wow Taylor, I didn't mean to get people started. Steve in PA needs to get a life! My fascination is not about Midgets ...just that something so mysterious still exists in the most conservative part of FW and looks [after all these years] to be at least somewhat intact.
Posted by dx  on  Thu Jul 16, 2009  at  11:20 AM
Hey DX & Taylor...

Have you noticed that Steve in PA just tip toed back to the hobitville. Oops, I'm sorry, I meant back home.

Ciao,
JIMI
Posted by JIMI  on  Thu Jul 16, 2009  at  12:32 PM
LOL...if you want to know the real 411 on midget town in Long Beach Ca keep reading...if not close your eyes. I grew up at 36 La Linda Dr. from 1959 to 1969.I only found out a few years ago I lived in midget town because there were`nt any midgets.At least not while I lived there,HOWEVER...there were midgets that lived there before me. These were the Wizard Of Oz midgets . After the movie wrapped some midgets bought land and built homes at what is now La Linda Dr. It was close to the studios.I must admit there were some very not so roomy houses I`d been in,and one highly suspect house with 9 ft doors and 3ft knobs,oh I also have the 411 on Igors Alley butI too will save that for another day.
Posted by TerriSue  on  Tue Jul 21, 2009  at  01:37 AM
CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME THE LOCATION TO MIDGETVILLE IN RIVERSIDE CA???IVE BEEN THERE BFORE A LONG TIME AGO BT IT WAS AT NIGHT..MY HUSBAND DONT BELIEVE ME SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROVE HIS ASS WRONG I DNT CARE IF ITS NOT THERE NOMORE SO THEY SAY BT WOULD LIKE TO SHOW HIM THE SITE WHERE IT ONCE STOOD PLEASE EMAIL ME AT .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) bullshit....
Posted by GEENA  on  Tue Jul 28, 2009  at  04:03 PM
Hey Geena in Riverside,
I'm just about to e-mail you the directions, some maps & pics. Not that I want you to "prove his ass wrong", I just feel that the both of you will get a kick out of it.
If you go there, just watch out for Steve in PA. He may gather up his little buddies and try to chase all you "tallll folk's" away from there.
Ciao,
JIMI
Posted by JIMI  on  Tue Jul 28, 2009  at  05:53 PM
When I said I don't find midgets funny i wasn't attacking you dx. Just to clear it up. And Jimi, i saw "The Terror Of Tiny Town". But what about "The Mysteries of Midgetville"? and what do you mean "what I like to call"? And TerriSue...that legend is old and quite well known by us here. But I would like information on Igor's Alley.
Posted by Taylor  on  Fri Aug 07, 2009  at  03:03 AM
Hi Taylor,

The Mysteries of Midgetville is a documentary about the Midgetville that used to be here in La Sierra (Riverside), CA. I have the DVD. They sold it on a website that no longer exist. I
Posted by JIMI  on  Fri Aug 07, 2009  at  08:00 AM
Wow, thanks Jim for the offer. I'll send you an email with my address soon. The "what I like to call thing" was me asking what you ment when you said "What I like to call 'The Mysteries Of Midgetville'" But thanks to your elaboration on the film, informing me that it was a low budget affair, I understand now, haha. Once again thanks so much for sending it.

I have one last question...was the M-ville of La Sierra the one on a mountain, well hill actually. There is a video on youtube of a little person confirming one of the Midgetville legends and he goes on to say he was a content resident before the demolition.

And Jimi...fuck yes, we should road trip our midget hunting ass' to florida. Haha

P.s. One last thing, I promise.

Last night a friend and I stayed up into the "wee"(hahaha) hours of the night. This was his first lesson on what us on this message board have come to care quite a bit about. He used to be in Special-ops. So armed with the bing maps aerial view...and a ton of other expensive Spec-ops gear, he will be performing a recon to establish human contact at our midgetville, at times it looks to be abandoned. Wish him luck, guys.

Thanks one last time Jimbo!
Posted by Taylor  on  Fri Aug 07, 2009  at  07:29 PM
Right on Dude, find them little fellas Ranger style!

The La Sierra Midgetville was in kind of a canyon in the orange groves area. I believe the one that you're speaking of was the one in San Diego. I saw that youtube video some time ago. They interview a little guy on some steps over looking the area where it was...is that correct?

Okay, we need to find out info on the convention & post it here!

Ciao,
JIMI
Posted by JIMI  on  Sat Aug 08, 2009  at  01:11 AM
Exactly sir. That was it. So was this one the one that is just 4 "somewhat small" houses done by Cliff May, on a normal street of houses? Its not that I doubt you, it's just in the article.

You should come check out ours! It is insane!

We should take a tour across America to all midgetvilles'!
Posted by Taylor  on  Sun Aug 09, 2009  at  03:03 AM
Hey Taylor,

The La Sierra Midgetville was not a real designed, organized neighborhood. It was more like a settlement.

As the "story" goes, the little guys were part of a Traveling Equestrian Show in a Traveling Big Top Circus that went bankrupt here in Riverside, CA. When the Big Top Circus went under, all the performers were left to fend for themselves. The County granted them the area in the La Sierra Orange Groves that (at the time) was not extremely habitable & probably assisted them with building materials for the farm like settlement too. This was said to happen around the 1920's. Some of these little guys may have gone on to the acting profession and were possible part of the cast for "The Terror of Tiny Town".

I'm sure that there are plenty of people that will say that my story is all wrong. However, this is what I came up with squishing all the different stories I've heard together and using the most common & overlapped so called facts. The DVD was a big help too.

By the way, the LPA (Little People of America) National Convention in 2010 will be 7/04 thru 7/09 in Nashville, TN. Start searching for rooms & flights now! I wonder if we would be welcomed like some other
Posted by JIMI  on  Sun Aug 09, 2009  at  12:28 PM
my husband doesnt want to believe me lol.. where was the one in riverside? can someone please send me the address?
Posted by kamote  on  Wed Aug 12, 2009  at  11:19 PM
Hey Kamote in Glendale,

Get me your e-mail address & I'll send you the same info, maps & pics that I had sent to Geena in Riverside on the location of the Midgetville in La Sierra (Riverside), CA.


Ciao,
JIMI
Posted by JIMI  on  Thu Aug 13, 2009  at  09:12 PM
It is really there, Ive been there twice, its right when you get on to virgina country club after winston street dependending on the way you come it will be down a drive way on the right or left hand side when you get to the bottom of the hil youll see a gate on the right that says 24 hour survelience hop the gate and walk down the drive way. My friends got caught after one of the little people calles security on us.
Posted by Mellow  on  Fri Aug 14, 2009  at  03:49 AM
What's the deal lately with all the spam postings of porn sites? They could at least post "midget" porn sites! LOL!!!....
Posted by JIMI  on  Fri Aug 21, 2009  at  09:51 AM
Hmmmmm this place is not real, its a mytical land of nonsense!
Posted by Bibi  on  Sun Sep 06, 2009  at  11:44 PM
liz from long island, i was just shown the oakdale "munchkinville" today! it's down behind dowling's oakdale campus ... it's hard to miss as the entrance to the area looks like a huge brick castle gate. the houses are definitely tiny and really adorable!
Posted by Frankie  on  Wed Sep 09, 2009  at  08:31 PM
JIMI, can you send me any info or pictures you have to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). I went here as a kid, and it is sad to know that it doesn't exist anymore.

I would like to get a copy of that DVD, but the site doesn't seem to exist anymore.

Thanks
Posted by Ron  on  Mon Sep 28, 2009  at  04:24 PM
Does anyone Know about the one in Seaford LI?
send me the info to my email .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Please and Thank You :]
Posted by Nam  on  Mon Oct 05, 2009  at  10:08 AM
If anyone has information on any places in Wisconsin, please email me
Posted by Joe  on  Wed Oct 07, 2009  at  08:36 AM
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Posted by Joe  on  Wed Oct 07, 2009  at  08:37 AM
Hi i was told this morning that there is a midget town in downey & riverside. can anyone give me information on this or if you have any dvd;s that i can see or purchase.
Posted by Anna Montalvo  on  Thu Oct 08, 2009  at  05:20 PM
Hi JIMI,

I live in Riverside and have lived there almost my entire life (29 years). I've heard of the La Sierra Midgetville area, but never actually been there.

Can you send me the info (ie; maps, pictures, etc) that you sent to Greena and Kamote. Also. if you can send me a copy of the movie - that'd be awesome. Feel free to email with quesitons at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

Thanks again.
Posted by Maria Ruvalcaba  on  Wed Oct 14, 2009  at  10:13 AM
I was looking for something like this. Thanks!
Posted by Directimg  on  Wed Nov 04, 2009  at  03:28 PM
I tried going to the one in Claremont, Ca in Padua Hills and could not find it. I went up Padua Ave. or whatever, we got to the theatre and there was a road with two small cones so we went through there and it was narrow, long and windy, but there was just a nature park thing so we turned back, then we decided to give it another look by walking but after about 100 yards in the road, we just turned around and walked back to our cars. Was creepy and fun though.
Posted by Beezy  on  Sun Dec 06, 2009  at  01:34 PM
F Y I . . . .

The "Little People of America" convention (LPA Conference) is this Summer on July 2-9, 2010 at the Renaissance Hotel in Nashville, TN

I wonder if they will discuss any of the Midgetville locations during this conference?

Do you think that they would have any problem with a biggie attending a seminar or two for educational purposes? Can they discriminate against a Biggie & not let them in? After all, some of the "Little People" have Biggie Children and/or Parents.

Hmmm, just a thought.
Posted by JIMI  on  Wed Dec 09, 2009  at  10:53 AM
It's totally real, I seen it in the eighties. Not sure if it's still there though. Looked in the windows but no one was home.
Posted by Tim  on  Wed Dec 16, 2009  at  09:21 AM
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