Vampire Sites

Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book, The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.

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Posted on Wed Oct 29, 2003



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I find this entire thread comedy. I think it is really, really funny, in a real life, I'm actually laughing at (ToV and Subscribers alike) the whole thing.

Here is why.

When I was man_mind on LttD forums, I used trace route to end the debate on who was ToV and who was CoS, and it was met with lackies galore (Actually only two) who came in to sling retarded comment after retarded comment about how many many people use the same providers, etc etc.

Now.....

"All my projects and companies will remain along with churchofsatan.com, vampiretemple.com, and coopstuff.com ... all of these sites, I monitor personally and upgrade or fix any security issues as they come out."

He said it himself.. he runs all the shit. Now he's charging money to use LttD and Undercroft.. No wonder he was selling Undercroft so hard:

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=363390&page=1




This was sent to me.


HAHAHAHA. Fuckin lame ass's.

Who really wants to join ToV or CoS? I know I refuse to pay to become a ding-a-ling who has masters who can't even be honest with themselves. As if the first half of that sentence wasn't enough to deter someone.
Posted by Justin M Klodner  on  Sun Jan 25, 2009  at  09:13 PM
Thank you "I HATE TOV" for your feedback.

I'll contribute a personal theory on the TOV to this discussion now:

Diabolus Rex wrote 2 rituals for the Temple of Set's Ruby Tablet of Set. This would have been around the time Nemo was involved in that organization though I haven't been able to find more info on Rex's involvement in the TOS. From what I understand they would have both left the COS for the TOS around the same time- and returned to the Church around the same time. When they left, the TOV was founded and both were Adepts in it.

This has led me to develop this possible theory: the TOV is a parody of the Temple of Set. Perhaps they intentionally joined the TOS just to learn what it was like on the inside, left when they had enough info and set up the TOV to mock the TOS and drain away potential members.

When you consider how machivellian Satanism can be, it makes a lot of sense as possibility doesn't it? Perhaps a group of Satanists agreed in the 80s to pretend to be disillusioned with the COS and "defect" to the TOS- only to sabotoge it.
Posted by Dracula777  on  Mon Jan 26, 2009  at  11:18 AM
"Those who hate most fervently must have once loved deeply; those who want to deny the world must have once embraced what they now set on fire."
Posted by Rupert  on  Mon Jan 26, 2009  at  12:26 PM
Dracula777-Your theory is an interesting one, I just can't phathom playing out a parody this long. If parody is (was) indeed the purpose along with the plan of sabatoge, wouldn't you say that it most likely worked, a long time ago! It would make sense that for the reason's stated above HP Gilmore and the likes would turn a blind eye to what we now view in a skeptics eye, perhaps in hopes of increasing CoS membership income. Though, since when did Satanism ever care about the disillusioned whether it be a single individual or a hundred individuals? To plot to this extent bewilders me, Rex being an Iconic member of the Satanic Community, a pioneer of Satanic Idiology, I don't see him wasting his time on such ventures. In close, if this were the intention, the goal of such was likely completed many moons ago. Now the plot (if that were the case) has been distorted into a hoax-money-making-scam that should have been put to rest but wasn't.
Posted by Rupert  on  Mon Jan 26, 2009  at  12:42 PM
Never fear, however, if you fuck up, your "friend" Nemo will graciously allow you to start all over again from the very beginning, fees and all.

Interesting, this must be a new policy because when I was a member they used to preach that the ToV was not a revolving door and will not let you back in once you leave.
Posted by Private  on  Mon Jan 26, 2009  at  05:55 PM
Since the ToV teaches the followers that they can live forever, I was wondering what is said to those who are more unfortunate and live the present life in chronic pain or are prone to ill health.
Are only top shape vampires worthy of belonging to the ToV?
Is cryonics the only immortality angle that the temple has?

I am disabled and in pain 24/7 and the concept of the all powerful everlasting vampire who will take part in ruling the world is laughable and absurd to me. People who are in good health might have to discern a little harder about this bullshit. People who are not so healthy see things in sharp contrast and don't take so much for granted. We aren't open to as much metaphysical brainwashing as others are (unless we are the super fools who go to idiot Christian healing services).

The peer pressure on members of the ToV to be and act a certain way must be tremendous.
Posted by Red Rose  on  Tue Jan 27, 2009  at  07:49 PM
Perhaps the ToV is merely a form of Epicureanism, a means of gratification and indulgence shared by like minded people. On the other side of that coin, what information is made available by the ToV, from a Satanist's perspective, closely resembles a path of Self-Deceit. I have read their "bible" and I could not translate it into anything more than a Spirtitual Pipedream. I have admiration for a couple of it's members' intellect and intelligence and am bewildered by their choice to participate in such hypocritcal nonsense. RedRose-I don't believe that the ToV dicriminates against the Unfortunate or Ill Prone, thier money spends just as everyone elses does. Just to be fair though, you could always "test everything" and spend a couple of days wandering around your local mall trying to drain the "Lifeforce" out of unsuspecting victims, you never know, you just never know?!? I'm thinking of one ToV Super-Vampire right now...and if Tip-Top shape means doing 360's in your desk chair while surfing the Lifeforce Forums in your skivies, then that might be the case, otherwise ever see the movie WarGames, remember Mathew Broderick's role, that's what I envision. Hail the Renaissance!
Posted by Rupert  on  Fri Jan 30, 2009  at  03:00 PM
The surest way to attain immortality is to have children.

There's been lots of anti-Christian sentiment expressed in these comments, but you know, at least Catholics understand that and have big families. That makes them smarter than the antisocial, narcissistic jerks who join mailorder cults like The Temple of the Vampire.

Ironically, the only people being preyed on are the ones gullible enough to send money to the con artists running this operation.
Posted by Igor Alexander  on  Sat Jan 31, 2009  at  01:51 AM
MLM wrote: "I also notice that the Temple borrowed from Gnosticism, Crowley, Theosophy, Lifeforce concepts from Eastern esoteric societies and literature, chaos magick..."

Not to mention Nietzsche, Anne Rice, William Bramley, Von Daniken, Zecharia Sitchin, William Meyers, and J. G. Eccarius.

You know, if the "Vampire Bible" were being published as fiction, or as a literary hoax like the Necronomicon, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But I believe the ideas that are being peddled by this cult are psychologically harmful, particularly to the vulnerable segments of the population that are being targeted (i.e., alienated teens/young adults and schizophrenics). The people who are running this scam are utterly amoral scumbags, almost as bad in my view as pimps or drug dealers. It's not because you *can* screw people that you *should*.

MLM wrote: "Also, one who has researched such things, will notice there are strong similarities between the Temple of Set teachings and ToV teachings."

If I'm not mistaken, the Temple of Set has or had an "Order of the Vampire" or something along that line.
Posted by Igor Alexander  on  Sat Jan 31, 2009  at  03:55 AM
Are only top shape vampires worthy of belonging to the ToV?
Is cryonics the only immortality angle that the temple has?


Actually, the only one's "worthy" are the one's who have enough money to pay for cryonics, pay for membership fees, pay for books, and pay for jewelry from the Temple.

Yes, as some presume in this topic, there is high pressure sales, to buy and do all these things under the guise of
Posted by Private/MLM  on  Sat Jan 31, 2009  at  12:32 PM
"They build you up on the public page and then drop the financial bombs on you in the membership areas."

Is there anything of substance which you gain once you are 'inside', or is the main behavior of your peers wrapped around 'advancement via money'?

In other words - why are there people who have been members for a long time?
I've noticed several members are people who are in professional positions and hold various degrees in science, ect.
I wonder if people stay around because it's a kind of fun social clique for the rich and bored.
My concern is for the less fortunate who become psychological prey.
Posted by Snowbound  on  Tue Feb 03, 2009  at  03:39 AM
Is there anything of substance which you gain once you are 'inside', or is the main behavior of your peers wrapped around 'advancement via money'?

You can gain some useful knowledge but nothing to extraordinary.

As far as why some stay, some claim that their experiences are what keep them there while I felt others may have been their for social reasons.

In other words - why are there people who have been members for a long time?
I've noticed several members are people who are in professional positions and hold various degrees in science, ect.


Many intelligent people have allowed themselves to be members of other cults and brainwashed too.
Posted by Private  on  Tue Feb 03, 2009  at  11:21 PM
Effectiveness is the measure of truth.

Does the TOV stuff work? Is it effective?

There is your answer.
Posted by Helio  on  Wed Feb 04, 2009  at  05:04 AM
"Effectiveness is the measure of truth.

Does the TOV stuff work? Is it effective?

There is your answer."

Sounds like a double-speak answer Nemo would give, doesn't it?
It's not a matter if it works or not.
The effectiveness of the ToV truth hinges on the ten dollars a month you fork over to be a 'vampire'.
The rest is a delusion of grandeur.
Posted by Claw  on  Thu Feb 05, 2009  at  04:00 AM
I just want to throw out a book recommendation: Influence by Robert Cialdini. I've seen it mentioned multiple times by TOV members and the 6 principles of influence are STRONGLY at work in the TOV's marketing. Commitment explains the $10 a month, Scarcity explains why they're so "secretive," and social proof explains why the TOV banner is encouraged to be put on every member's profile.
Posted by Dracula777  on  Thu Feb 05, 2009  at  12:12 PM
Where and when is the next Vampire gathering?
Posted by Money H. Getmore  on  Fri Feb 06, 2009  at  05:23 PM
You say you're watching us? Nah. We're watching *you*! You betcha! };-)
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Sat Feb 07, 2009  at  05:30 PM
"You say you're watching us? Nah. We're watching *you*! You betcha!"

Sometimes I feel like
somebody's watching me.
Posted by Michael Jackson  on  Sun Feb 08, 2009  at  06:21 PM
Yeppers -- that'd be us watching you alright. :coolgrin:
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Sun Feb 08, 2009  at  07:39 PM
It looks like Charles Nemo is too stupid to see that Michael Jackson's post is a line from a Michael Jackson song.
Great pun Mr. Jackson.
Posted by Mirrorman  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  05:54 AM
Hence the "};-)" in my reply. However, it's always amusing to hear from another snide, pseudo-sophisticated wannabe. 🧛
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  07:03 AM
Hey Chuck,

I'm looking to skip all the pleantries and boost right up to Adept, I was thinking, would it be possible to flow you about a 1k and get right up in the mix of things?
Posted by Money H. Getmore  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  10:55 AM
pleasantries---
Posted by Money H. Getmore  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  03:47 PM
Chuckie -
I'm so frustrated being a snide wannabe.
I should just break down and pay month in and month out to be a genuine for real vampire and live forever (along with my human slaves of course).
I can't wait for the Final Harvest, which is when the heads of the ToV cash in their stocks. By that that time I'll be a cryonic frozen stiff, awaiting my Immortality.
What a thrill! Yeppers . . . you betcha!
Posted by Mirror Man  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  04:15 PM
Why does the Temple of the Vampire claim that other vampires outside of their cabal are not true vampires? This seems totally arrogant to me.
Posted by Peter  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  04:20 PM
Why did Marshall Applewhite convince 38 members of his Heavens Gate Cult that there was going to be a mass recycling of the Earth and it's inhabitance, and that the only way to survive it was to leave immediately. Unfortunately for them there method of transportation was Phenobarbitol and Vodka and a pair of black Nike Cortez running shoes. The group was intrigued by UFO's and the Comet Hale-Bopp, this flipped some kind of "Undead-God" switch in their heads which ultimately lead to their demise. Mind Control.
Posted by Rupert  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  05:41 PM
Yo, Mirror Man, thou protesteth too much. 😛
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  07:28 PM
Money? Nah. I have all of whatever I need and want. :coolsmirk:
Posted by Money H. Getmore  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  07:32 PM
Mind control? Whatever works, dude. No rulez. 🐍
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  07:34 PM
Word up, Peter. Those that talk -- don't know. And those that know -- don't talk. :zip:
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  07:37 PM
Mr. so-called Charles Nemo,

I am not convinced that you are not Nemo because he doesn't talk in street lingo using terms like "dude" or "word".

I really don't think you are helping out this discussion by pretending to be someone you are not.

If you have something useful to contribute then please do; otherwise, why waste your time just shooting off your mouth on here?

If you are a Temple member then, from the sound of your postings, you do not sound like a "ruler of the earth" like you think you are.

Also, if you are watching us then what is the point--what IS the point? By the way, did you see me flush my copy of The Vampire Bible (my money) down my toilet while you were watching like some omnipresent God?

Flushing the Vampire bible down the commode was the best move I made since I had joined the ToV at that time.

I thought I heard some voice coming from the commode saying "hogwash" while the water swirled the pieces down the hole to be lost to the winds of time.

P.s. Maybe Nemo should start offering "senior discounts" to older members because they are closer to a rest home than younger members. LOL!
Posted by Private  on  Mon Feb 09, 2009  at  09:22 PM
Word up, Peter. Those that talk -- don't know. And those that know -- don't talk. zipper
Posted by Charles Nemo in Hell, MI on Mon Feb 09, 2009 at 06:37 PM
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And Temple of the Vampire is the epitome of silence
Posted by Simon  on  Tue Feb 10, 2009  at  01:29 AM
Yo, "Private", nice meltdown there. I never claimed to be "Nemo". I've always been exactly who I am. I merely stumbled across some stumblebums dissing me, and decided to have a little fun with the dorks. I don't give a rat's ass about the ToV. 😊
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Tue Feb 10, 2009  at  07:06 AM
Does "no rulez" also apply to the rejected who happens to know where Charles Nemo lives? The one who feels compelled to hunt him down, because Charles Nemo has worsened an already damaged mental condition? I would be careful when I say "No Rulez", Nemo or not, you are making a claim by using a name. There are a few here who don't think very highly of Charles Nemo. I'm sure Charles Nemo isn't invisible. At least Nemo can rest assured that the majority of the Satanists that follow the ToV pipedream will take responsibility for their actions and place the preservation/quality of their lives as a high priority, in relation to consequence.
Posted by Rupert  on  Tue Feb 10, 2009  at  11:20 AM
Yo, "Rupert" -- who imagines that I've "worsened an already damaged mental condition"? You? I don't know you. I'm not "making a claim by using a name", and that includes *not* making a claim to being a Satanist. I have nothing to do with the ToV either. It's my name, and there's certainly more than one Nemo running loose. But feel free to hunt all you want. I'm easy to find, and Hell awaits anyone ("damaged" or not) who attacks me. Bring it on. :coolmad:
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Tue Feb 10, 2009  at  05:35 PM
Dear Mr. Charles Nemo (***not the Charles Nemo of which this entire thread is about.) if none of this apply's to you than stop feeding into it. If you don't give a damn about the ToV than you are obviously in a place in which I would say that you are completely wasting your own and everybody else's time. As far as the situational examples I posted about the possible affected personalities lashing out against the Charles Nemo or members of the ToV, those were just that situational examples, things to consider, possible side affects to the likes of post traumatic stress attributed to being exiled from a cult situation. I beg to differ, by posting in this forum with the name that you are using, you are making a claim. I don't think there is anybody here with half-a-brain that would disagree with me. By the way, how do you know that you don't know me? I would suggest you change your name here to Charles Nemo *not of ToV fame.
Posted by Rupert  on  Tue Feb 10, 2009  at  06:46 PM
Nah, I'll just stick with the name I've had for years. I'm making no claim at all by posting -- just suggesting that you not jump to conclusions about someone just cause they carry the name Nemo. Y'all feel free to continue squabbling. You seem like a bunch of paranoid sissies. 😛
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Tue Feb 10, 2009  at  06:57 PM
"I'm easy to find, and Hell awaits anyone ("damaged" or not) who attacks me. Bring it on."

Wow 'Nemo'. I guess this is the part where I'm supposed to get all nervous and threatened.
Yo Nemo from Hell. Your a parasite. You suck attention, and the more people respond to you, the more crap comes out of your mouth.

The best thing for you is to be ignored, which is what I'm doing as soon as I get this statement completed.
Most likely you will type off some idiot reply to my letter, just to draw attention to yourself and keep the ball rolling.
It's a good idea that nobody responds to you at all. You love the attention, don't you?

Your babbling is an irritant, like a fly.
You can trash me all you want "Nemo". I won't respond to a moron like you.
Neither should anyone else on this forum.
You're a waste.
Posted by Mo Nemo  on  Tue Feb 10, 2009  at  08:15 PM
Those that talk -- don't know. And those that know -- don't talk. zipper

Laughing, sounds like another cheap shameless sales plug. 😉

Also, Charles Nemo (not the same Nemo) maybe there has been a case of mistaken identity and it was nobody's intent here to attack you on a personal level. If you also read in my previous posts, I said I wasn't sure if the Nemo's mentioned in the other posted links were the ToV's Nemo.

I was just trying to figure out through deductive reasoning who the ToV Nemo was out of simple curiosity. Then again, as I had stated, the links that I provided were not meant to be stated as facts and I made no absolute claim that anyone in those links was the ToV's Nemo.

I also assure you that I wasn't having a meltdown and I feel calm and comfortable.

If you feel your identity has been mistaken then please tell us, briefly, about yourself and who you are.

After that, if you can offer some helpful information in regards to the ToV topic here then we would be interested.

Otherwise, if you are just here to taunt and make your own personal attacks against others here then what is the point? If this is your intent, then why are you wasting your time here if you really have nothing to say about the ToV topic?

Do you need attention?

If you continue this attitude then I suggest to all here to just ignore this individuals postings. The more attention you give someone with this type of attitude the more they will keep going on an on. 😉
Posted by Private  on  Tue Feb 10, 2009  at  08:34 PM
I'm the "Charles Nemo" who's written articles on various darkside topics under my name and no other. If you see something by "Nemo", it's not me. Satisfied? ❓
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Wed Feb 11, 2009  at  06:56 AM
Anybody heard from Lucas Martel? Just thought I would ask..
Posted by Money H. Getmore  on  Wed Feb 11, 2009  at  11:28 AM
I'm not sure if this guy is really Charles Nemo but I've had a long suspicion Nemo and Charles Nemo aren't one and the same. Charles writes paragraphs that are longer than 2 sentences. Adept Nemo seems to love hitting the enter key.
Posted by Dracula777  on  Wed Feb 11, 2009  at  12:08 PM
I like that, Adept Nemo. I think that will be my new name of reference for this matter. There should be no confusion with that.
Posted by Rupert  on  Wed Feb 11, 2009  at  01:26 PM
Can someone please clarify what specific level of knowledge has been acheived to aquire the title of Adept within the ToV? Is it perhaps along the lines of a Dominus Liminis or even an Ipsissimus.
Posted by rupert  on  Wed Feb 11, 2009  at  01:36 PM
Dracula777 sez: "I'm not sure if this guy is really Charles Nemo but I've had a long suspicion Nemo and Charles Nemo aren't one and the same. Charles writes paragraphs that are longer than 2 sentences. Adept Nemo seems to love hitting the enter key."

Your suspicion is correct. I don't use the name "Nemo" or "Adept Nemo". I'm surprised that there's such a furor. (Three sentences!) :wow:
Posted by Charles Nemo  on  Wed Feb 11, 2009  at  04:19 PM
I love the way this Charles Nemo guy is still getting all the attention.

Good going Private,Rupert,Dracula777. DUH!!
Posted by Johnnie  on  Wed Feb 11, 2009  at  06:39 PM
Charles Nemo is such a wise guy lol
Posted by D.  on  Thu Feb 12, 2009  at  03:46 PM
Looking back through page after page after page ad nausem..I just don't get it. It's like everyone on here is pissed off and get into a bitching frenzy over something they claim is nothing?

I mean why not start bitching about Christianity or Catholicism? They ask for a helleva lot more money than most religions or organizations..and have the monopoly of pedophiles at that! Now there's something worth HATING in my opinion!
Posted by D.  on  Thu Feb 12, 2009  at  04:26 PM
There are underlying issues here, to the untrained-eye your observation is correct. Some of us must choose our words wisely, that's just the way it is.
Posted by Rupert  on  Fri Feb 13, 2009  at  05:06 AM
I agree that the purpose of this site (The TOV as a hoax) spins out of control like most forums do from time to time. This is expected anywhere on the Internet. Hopefully it can stay on target as far as the subject of discussion.

I think the crux of the matter is that the TOV is a "pay per view" club that is a mixture of practical and esoteric knowledge, neither of which is original but is pawned off as being so anyways.

Make it all secret under the threat of expulsion and there you have it: a self feeding pyramid scheme, as dogmatic and fascist as Christianity itself.

The TOV states that the 'vampires' inside it's temple are the 'only true vampires' in existence.
Arrogance Deluxe.
You almost expect Nemo to say "I am the way, the truth, and the life" if you know what I'm saying.
But this 'One Way' mentality is precisely what keeps this club together.
"Believe Nothing But What We Want You To" is actually the full statement to their winged skull logo. You must have faith to belong to the TOV, just like you would if you were a Christian.
You have to be a born-again vampire, according to 'the word' - in this case, not one, but many bibles.

There is nothing wrong with feeling you are a part of something. But when you are being emotionally manipulated in order to make a small inner circle wealthy off of your ignorance - it becomes an endeavor that is ethically bankrupt.
Posted by Frodo  on  Fri Feb 13, 2009  at  07:38 PM
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