Here's something that's causing serious Star Wars fans to roll their eyes in disgust. The rumor going around is that in the upcoming DVD release of the Star Wars series, George Lucas has altered the ending of Return of the Jedi (Episode VI) so that Hayden Christensen has replaced Sebastian Shaw in the final scene that shows the ghosts of Darth Vader, Yoda, and Obi wan Kenobi standing together. As some have pointed out, this doesn't make sense because why would Darth Vader's ghost be young, while the ghosts of Yoda and Obi wan are both old? Nevertheless, there's photographic evidence to back up the rumor, as well as a film clip hosted over at Waxy.org. If it's a hoax, someone has put a bit of effort into manufacturing these altered scenes.
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True, the effects are more old-fashioned, but George Lucas always intended to make episodes 4-6 first, then go back to the prequels. Plus there's areas where they have updated the originals with more high-tech computer effects.
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for the scene where he takes off his mask it makes sense coz he face probably melted and stuff so meh
uh...... He is not a robot, he merely needs the life support suit to live. Remember, the name Darth Vader has nothing to do with the black suit he wears, he only wears that because he has to.
Anyways, I disagree with them reamking the ending with Hayden as the ghost of Anakin, ans here is why. Anakin does indeed "die" (not phyiscally) in Episode III when he turns to the dark side, and becomes the dreaded darth vader. However, Darth Vader dies (not physically) the moment he kills the Emperor and saves Luke's life. The man who dies next to Luke's X wing with his helmet is off is NOT Darth Vader, but Anakin Skywalker who had returned to the Skywalker. So when Anakin physically dies, it is not Vader who is dying, but Anakin dying. So for those saying "well it needs to be hayden so it reflects that its Anakian!" that really is not correct. Hayden Christianson merely portrays Anakin Skywalker when he is about 19 years old. But Anakin physically dies when he is about 40 (since eps 4-6 take place about 20 years after Episode 3) so obviously Anakin should be portrayed by someone who looks that aqe and looks like he could be Luke's father. He is supposed to luke the same as the scarred Anakin we see at the end of ROTJ right before he dies, except with no scarring, so its basically how he would look at that age had he not had fallen into the lava. So yeah, anyways it was an unecessary change, since, as I stated, the old Anakin (Sebastain Shaw) relects what Anakin looked like that age, and also reflects the Anakin Skywalker that killed the Emperor, saved luke, returned to the light side, and who ultimately brought balance to the force.
Uh...... he is not a robot, he merely needs the life support suit to live. Remember, the name Darth Vader has nothing to do with the black suit he wears, he only wears that because he has to. And he DOES indeed age and get older, we just don't see it (untill the end of ROTJ, of course) because he has the suit on, thus we cannot see what he looks like underneath. ...... but honestly, how could anyone think he doesnt age ? Of course he still ages, he may look like a machine on the outside, but he is still a human being.
Anyways, I disagree with them remaking the ending with Hayden as the ghost of Anakin, and here is why. Anakin does indeed "die" (not physically) in Episode III when he turns to the dark side, and becomes the dreaded Darth Vader. However, Darth Vader dies (not physically) the moment he kills the Emperor and saves Luke's life. The man who dies next to Luke's X wing with his helmet off is NOT Darth Vader, but Anakin Skywalker who had returned to the light side. So when Anakin physically dies, it is not Vader who is dying, but Anakin dying. So for those saying "well it needs to be hayden so it reflects that it's Anakin!" that really is not correct. Hayden Christensen merely portrays Anakin Skywalker when he is about 19 years old. But Anakin physically dies when he is about 40 (since eps 4-6 take place about 20 years after Episode 3) so obviously Anakin should be portrayed by someone who looks that age and looks like he could be Luke's father. He is supposed to look the same as the scarred Anakin we see at the end of ROTJ right before he dies, except with no scarring, so its basically how he would look at that age had he not fallen into the lava. So yeah, anyways it was an unecessary change, since, as I stated, the old Anakin (Shaw) relects what Anakin looked like at that age, and also reflects the Anakin Skywalker that killed the Emperor, saved Luke, returned to the light side, and who ultimately brought balance to the force.
GL dosent give a fuck what you all think.
PENIS!!!!
I also agree that the original Ewok song in the original movie was better.
I'm not sure how much the software costs (possibly expensive) but my buddy can rip VHS tapes, turn them into computer files, then burn them to DVD. I have the black-case VHS releases (the "restored" version, different from the gold-case VHS "Special Edition" version) and had him burn me DVDs of the original movies. These tapes are not too old (in Star Wars terms) and make for great DVD transfers. You aren't violating any copyright terms as long as you are only making a copy for yourself. If you are SUPER creative you can print up a spiffy retro DVD cover for these, but one way or another they are a great addition to your Star Wars DVD collection. This may be a way to satisfy the craving until Lucas releases the inevitable "Theatrical Release" DVD set.
One can only hope that George will have the guts to include the two Ewok movies and the little-known 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special. You all know about the Star Wars Holiday Special, right?!
that Darth Vader is a young man in ther next life. I
also preferred the original ending with Sebastian Shaw as the middle aged Darth Vader. (David Prowse
played Darth Vader in the uniform and mask as well as unmasked.) Maybe George Lucas wanted a new take on the original trilogoy, but I preferred the origiinal
ending to remain the way it was.
Anakin is 45 when he kills the emperor and dies. Yet he spent 20+ years, a living being, and thus grew to maturity in mutilation. When revealing himself, therefore, he looks much older than a healthy middle aged Anakin would normally. Not to mention the fact that he was burned horribly in epIII. He should obviously be as old as he did when he died, especially when taking into consideration what Ryan mentioned earlier.
no more must be said
http://www.loresdelsith.net/3po/rep/c_retoques_dvd.htm
GL himself has sworn of the catastrophic 'Christmas Special' and we would thank you very much for not mentioning it here thank you.
I hope everyone is aware that GL will probably be changing the first three episodes before releasing any other box sets also. It's just what he does.
Don't give up hope yet on EP VII thru IX, George said previously that would never bother making prequels either. Give him some time and I am sure he will consider new opportunities at profitability from a tried-and true franchise
Maybe that last was a little goofy, but OK
Lord Sidious had a master, Darth Plagueis who had the gift of immortality. He taught his apprentice this gift. When Anakin fell to the dark side, Sidious mentioned that he and Anakin have to discover the secret of immortality. He might of teached Vader this "gift" in between after Revenge of the Sith and before A New Hope. And Vader was just using Anakin's spirit to keep him alive.
But the bad part of this threoy is what if Sidious spoon fed Anakin this info.
Anyways, I disagree with them reamking the ending with Hayden as the ghost of Anakin, ans here is why. Anakin does indeed "die" (not phyiscally) in Episode III when he turns to the dark side, and becomes the dreaded darth vader. However, Darth Vader dies (not physically) the moment he kills the Emperor and saves Luke's life. The man who dies next to Luke's X wing with his helmet is off is NOT Darth Vader, but Anakin Skywalker who had returned to the Skywalker. So when Anakin physically dies, it is not Vader who is dying, but Anakin dying. So for those saying "well it needs to be hayden so it reflects that its Anakian!" that really is not correct. Hayden Christianson merely portrays Anakin Skywalker when he is about 19 years old. But Anakin physically dies when he is about 40 (since eps 4-6 take place about 20 years after Episode 3) so obviously Anakin should be portrayed by someone who looks that aqe and looks like he could be Luke's father. He is supposed to luke the same as the scarred Anakin we see at the end of ROTJ right before he dies, except with no scarring, so its basically how he would look at that age had he not had fallen into the lava. So yeah, anyways it was an unecessary change, since, as I stated, the old Anakin (Sebastain Shaw) relects what Anakin looked like that age, and also reflects the Anakin Skywalker that killed the Emperor, saved luke, returned to the light side, and who ultimately brought balance to the force.
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You could be partially correct, but I think you are incorrect. Yes at the end of RotJ Anakin comes back to the light side, but you said he would age. Well, I actually like this "good force spirit" being frozen in time theory. So when he comes back to the light, his true younger self is what was brought back. Since he was frozen in time he should have come back in the form his spirit was frozen in, so yes, it does make sense as to why he would look like that in ghost form in RotJ. 😊
Obi-wan himself said that Anakin was dead, killed by Darth Vader! Mention was made several times that Anakin was "consumed by the dark side of the force," i.e. metaphysically dead. You may not like the changes and that is your right, but they are still the creation of George Lucas, and he strongly implied that this was the truth...and made the decision to put in Christiansen.
Now, I could have accepted them putting in a forty-five year old to play Anakin...or using makeup to age Christiansen. But I *never* liked Shaw as Anakin, even when the movie was first released in the eighties! So, for me the change works.
Rickford's post does have some truth in them. Many of my official star wars books state that Siths age quicker than Jedi, due to the ill nature of the dark side of the force, especially IF they are able to wield "Sith Lightning". This is because it drains the Sith warrior physically. This is the reason why the Emperor and Count Dooku appear older than they are. Also at the end of Episode 6, Vader is immersed in the Emperor's lightning. This explains why Vader appears to be old and cindered at the end, where Luke takes off his helmet. Not to mention we see Anakin flamed in Episode 3, so that doesn't help his appearance!
Obi-Wan tells Luke that Anakin is dead for two reasons.
No1. Anakin is consumed by the Dark side, but no entirely, I will say why later *.
No2. Obi-Wan doesn't want to scare Luke that the Opposition (Imperial Empire) he is fighting is controlled (not headed, that
First, Vader *never* wields Force lightning, so that can't be why he aged. According to the prequels, even if Sith age faster than Jedi, it can't be much faster. Palpatine, who *does* wield Force lightning, proves it. As a public figure, he *had* to age normally to avoid suspicion.
So, even if Vader was aging fast, he wasn't aging nearly *twice* as fast as normal. Vader was thirty three years younger than Shaw! He looked scarred in RotJ because of his injuries from Mustafar and he hadn't seen sunlight in twenty years.
Obi-wan told Luke Anakin was dead, because he feared Luke would refuse to kill his father. He honestly believed Anakin was completely consumed by the Dark Side and was beyond any redemption.
Yes, a small part of Anakin always existed, which allowed him to be redeemed. He knew Luke was stronger in the Force than he was. He also believed going to the Dark Side would make Luke even stronger and we know that *isn't* true.
Yes, as in Episode 3, the Emperor wanted to trade an older apprentice for a younger or simply stronger one. Vader doesn't have to be an old man for that to make sense. A twenty year old is stronger, yet easier to control, than a forty five year old. The Emperor knew if Luke didn't kill Vader, but went to the Dark Side, that the father and son would kill *him!* In fact, Vader says the Emperor *foresaw* Luke killing him or as it turns out causing his death.
"Vader senses (Episode 4-6) Luke can crush the Imperial Empire and maybe be able to redeem Vader from Palpatine" Not true. Vader knows Luke has the power to kill the *Emperor,* but states flat out that it's too late for Vader. He denies that completely, right until he has to finally choose between serving evil and saving his son's life.
*Vader* is not accepted by the Light. Anakin defeats Vader, effectively destroying him, and dies. I could accept his appearing his actual age, since he was alive in the Light at the end. But, given that he *did* come back to the Light, why would his spirit reflect the ravages of the Dark Side??
It was *Vader* who experienced those ravages, not Anakin. And, as shown by the prequel trilogy, the premature aging wasn't that extreme! He might have looked fifty or fifty five, ten years older than his true age. But *seventy-eight!!* No way. Not even.
Plus, I think the argument that his spirit *has* to reflect how he looked when he died is weak. By those rules, he should have been bald and scarred! That's the way he was when he died, whether Vader or Anakin! If the Force was going to restore him physically, why not take him back to the last time in his life that he was truly himself?
I did watch all six movies in order starting with TPM.
Sorry, but if you want an older Anakin, then Shaw should be replaced by someone about forty-five to fifty-five. A seventy eight year old is just wrong!
this isnt about him being young there, he died old, HE WAS REDEEMED, so he should have appeared old there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And what i missed was qui gon, he should have been there to placing a hand on the shoulder of obi wan, and standing next to him anakin skywalker, and next to him yoda, and next to yoda, MACE WINDU!!!!!
Qui-gon...maybe. I can understand putting him in, though that would have confused poor Luke. However, Mace Windu? Not a chance. His whole attitude in RotS stank. Why would he show up to see Anakin's son? He didn't even want Anakin trained and definitely wouldn't have supported Luke! It was a supportive moment of friend's reunited. Windu was hostile toward Anakin.