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Posted: 06 April 2012 08:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 133 ]
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Why do I get the feeling Phil Steinberg keeps saying goodbye only to come back?

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Posted: 06 April 2012 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 134 ]
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Peter - 06 April 2012 08:50 AM

Why do I get the feeling Phil Steinberg keeps saying goodbye only to come back?

Ah, you are clearly a victim of “underbellyfeelings”.

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Guys you are amazing !

Yup, ideed we are, but thanks for the compliment.

If you had read thouroughly what I gave you

Ehm, links from the website of the seller are not to be trusted period.

If you would come up with INDEPENDENT articles by real scientists and published in respected magazines. Then I will take the trouble of reading through them. But something that´s being presented as “research” by a snake oil vendor is simply worthless.

But again, in the way you try to push this product and how you behave and what you say and how you try to victimize yourself, it becomes clear you are the snake oil vendor or one of their minions.
And thus totally untrustworthy.
Simply put: you suck.

PS bye bye

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Posted: 06 April 2012 10:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 135 ]
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Phil Steinberg - 06 April 2012 08:45 AM

Therefore this will be my last post, since I have no time to lose in your durty game.

Promise?  Or is it just another claim you are making?  Let’s see…

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Posted: 06 April 2012 03:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 136 ]
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Hooboy. Why am I not surprised?

Phil Steinberg - 06 April 2012 08:45 AM

Guys you are amazing !

If you read and investigated what I gave you you would have found some double placebo studies as you requested

No, that is very much NOT what you provided, and you know it.

If you had read thouroughly what I gave you you would have had enough to question your scepticism and had been nicer than arrogant and insulting, pleasing eachother in attacks against the products, the company, and personal attacks.

Do not try and play victim. YOU are the one who started in on the personal attacks. Don’t try and assault someone’s credibility without offering up why we should trust your own. And if YOU had read this thread thoroughly, you would have known full well what to expect.

Again, there has been only one of you who simply asked questions for answers, and I replied to him with enough element for anyone honnestly looking for proofs.

So when everyone ELSE asked their questions, and asked for proofs, that was just make-believe? What little ‘proof’ you provided was the same tired ‘findings’ that company shills have been providing us with all along.  You cannot expect us to believe in your product if you won’t provide us what we want in the way of proof.

But you all hide behind your claims that you take for the only ones valid in your eyes.
Suit yourselves and have fun, every one has the right to have fun his own way.

More ad hominem, dismissing our questions, concerns, and requests for information as frivolity? Not cool.

You know it takes ages to get what you want, and that any alternative solution is fought against by the pharmaceutical industry.
You may know that in Canada you may go to jail for just growing aromatic herbs if they have been said to have health beneficial properties…. that in Europe a text have been voted to ban the sale of aromatic herbs as insignificant as Marjolain on public markets. They must go through the agreement of the pharmaceuticals…

Ah yes… the ‘Big Pharma Conspiracy’.  You DO know that they LOVE finding new cures and things, right? It’s pretty much HOW they make money, not by covering things up. If what you’re saying were true, then we wouldn’t have, say, Viagra.

If you were honnestly looking for the truth, knowing that a government agency of a major european country (I will give you the name of the country once it’s all official) would stop your sarcasms.

Um, no, that’s not how truth works. You don’t get to make those claims without proof.

I offered you go get a few people with knee arthritis and to guide you position the patches right…
All I could read was more sarcasms and that bla bla whatever you wrote. The truth is probably that you don’t dare whitnessing such effective results.
No problem to me, since anyway, your only goal is the critic.

Nope. More ad hominem. Please don’t even try that route. We will CHEERFULLY support a product that turns out to be correct and useful. All we want is reassurances as to its effectiveness and safety.

Therefore this will be my last post, since I have no time to lose in your durty game.

Thought the previous one was your last post?

Peter, if you are honnestly open to the truth, then PM me, or email me, I’ll get you some icewave, once you have agreed on a how we will do the test.
Then you can tell those jerks what you will have seen.
Bye all
Enjoy your circus

I wonder why he thinks Peter is somehow more willing to believe him. He is asking for proof and documentation just as much, if not more, than the rest of us.

Still, we are not the ones doing name-calling. We just want you to be honest and provide us with proof to back up your claims. Not what the company says is proof, but real, honest proof.

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Posted: 07 April 2012 05:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 137 ]
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Phil Steinberg - 06 April 2012 08:45 AM

If you read and investigated what I gave you you would have found some double placebo studies as you requested

Ah, well.

 

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Posted: 07 April 2012 05:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 138 ]
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Unfairly Balanced - 06 April 2012 09:44 AM
Peter - 06 April 2012 08:50 AM

Why do I get the feeling Phil Steinberg keeps saying goodbye only to come back?

Ah, you are clearly a victim of “underbellyfeelings”.

What’s Onderbuikgevoel?

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Posted: 07 April 2012 05:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 139 ]
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Peter - 07 April 2012 05:53 AM
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Peter - 06 April 2012 08:50 AM

Why do I get the feeling Phil Steinberg keeps saying goodbye only to come back?

Ah, you are clearly a victim of “underbellyfeelings”.

What’s Onderbuikgevoel?

In english you would say “gutfeeling”, but “onderbuikgevoel” is more negative.

 

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Posted: 08 April 2012 03:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 140 ]
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Phil Steinberg, if you ever come back, since you say that the patches take your pain away, I will make the same challenge to you as I have made to any and every Lifewave believer out there.  This is an open challenge to all, and has been for years now.

I’ll be you $5,000 that you can’t reliably tell the difference between Lifewave patches and placebo patches.

I’ll conduct the tests on you.  I’ll give you Lifewave patches and placebo patches one by one, in opaque envelopes so that you can’t tell which is which.  You put the envelopes on a chosen spot on your body and you sort through the envelopes one by one, deciding which must be a Lifewave patch and which must be a placebo patch, based on the effect(s) you feel (“This must be a real Lifewave patch because my pain subsided.  This one must be a placebo because I felt no change. This one . . .).

We’ll videotape the whole thing, including your sorting through the patches, and then opening up the envelopes at the end and seeing how many you got right and how many you got wrong, and we’ll put the video up on Youtube.  If you can’t get at least 17 out of 20 right, I win.  Because I believe that there will be no difference in the effects you feel, and therefore your chances of getting 17 out of 20 right by shear luck will be about 1% (according to the Probability Theory that I took as part of my engineering degree), I have an extremely high confidence that I’ll win.

Alternatively, we can conduct the testing on test subject of your choosing.  David Schmidt.  Steven Haltiwanger.  A horse.  Steven Haltiwanger on a horse (poor bastard, the horse I mean). 

Let’s search for the truth together, shall we?  Even if you don’t want to bet, it would be fun to run that test and see how many you get right and how many you get wrong, and put the whole thing up on Youtube, wouldn’t it?

And if you can’t reliably tell the difference between Lifewave patches and placebo patches, you’ll have gained a valuable piece of knowledge, namely, that Lifewave patches are no more effective than placebos, at least on you.  You’ll save a ton of money by never having to buy another patch again.  Just buy my placebo patches instead for half the price of Lifewave patches.

Nobody, not one person, has ever taken me up on this open challenge.  Will you be the first?

Cheers.

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Posted: 09 April 2012 06:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 141 ]
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Also to Phil Steinberg:

We’ll use genuine Lifewave patches that you bring, and placebos that I bring.  We’ll set up a testing protocol with observers and videotaping that will ensure that neither of us is “cheating,” and which will ensure that the testing is indeed double blind.  Neither I nor the observers will know which is which when I give you one “patch” in an envelope after another to try. 

So how badly do you want to know the truth, Phil?  Is it worth blowing to hell your status as a Lifewave “leader” (http://lifewavetraining.com/news/?page_id=831)?  Or would you rather shut your mind and cling to your biased and financially self-interested preconceptions? 

If Lifewave patches do what you say they do, that will be the easiest $5,000 you ever make.

Heck, if you want, you could even enlist a helper and try a similar experiment on yourself at home.  See if you can tell which is which by the effect that they have (or don’t have) on you, and let us know how you do.  But obviously, there’s no bet if you’re self-reporting.

I dare you, Phil.  I double dog dare you.

Cheers.

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Posted: 10 April 2012 09:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 142 ]
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Ok, folks, this is what you would call a suckerbet…

If you are into snake oil don´t bet!!

He will win.

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Posted: 10 April 2012 07:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 143 ]
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Don’t listen to Unfairly Balanced. 

It’ll be the easiest $5,000 you ever make.

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