Chinese map lays claim to discovery of America
Posted: 13 January 2006 12:49 PM
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The map looks a little too detailed to be almost 600 years old.  I call 18th century hoax.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4609074.stm

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Posted: 13 January 2006 01:03 PM   [ # 1 ]
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It also has some of the geographical errors that European cartographers kept on copying from each other, such as the island of California.

I read the book that they mention in the article (1421:  The Year China Discovered America), and I wasn’t very impressed with the author’s arguments.

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Posted: 13 January 2006 06:46 PM   [ # 2 ]
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This would turn out to be a lot more interesting if it the map does date 1763, as it would most likely be a 300 year old hoax.  I really can’t imagine one sailor maping N.A. and S.A. in 1418. 
Besides, I had always thought it was the Russians who discovered America 15,000 years ago…

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Posted: 13 January 2006 08:28 PM   [ # 3 ]
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I saw a documentary on this a few months back.  I can’t say that I was too convinced by their arguments for it, either.

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Posted: 13 January 2006 10:48 PM   [ # 4 ]
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If I correctly remember the book that was mentioned in the article, Citizen, it wasn’t just one sailor, or one ship, or even one expedition.  I think that there was something like seven different expeditions, all sent off to explore and collect tribute.  Then all the ships that survived the travels came back and reported in, and the ships’ logs were put together and maps made.  None of the author’s evidence was very compelling, though.  A lot of it was evidence such as, “I looked at this artifact, and using my keen mariner’s instinct I could automatically see what everybody else had overlooked”.  And if this map is supposed to be from 1418, wouldn’t that be from before whenever that book claimed that they discovered the New World?  I don’t have the book with me, so I can’t really tell.  If so, then this map doesn’t even have the “evidence” from the book to back it up.

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Posted: 16 January 2006 10:52 PM   [ # 5 ]
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<a href=http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/01/16/china.us.zheng.reut/index.html>http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/01/16/china.us.zheng.reut/index.html</a>

Storm over Chinese map of America

BEIJING, China (Reuters)—The Chinese are said to have discovered gunpowder, paper and the compass—but it may be too early to claim they discovered America.

A map purported to date from 1418 suggesting a Chinese fleet sailed to America decades before Christopher Columbus was displayed in Beijing on Monday, but the piece of yellowing paper is the center of a storm of criticism over its authenticity.

The map, which is said to be an 18th-century copy of the 1418 original, shows both North and South America in unusual detail.

It was bought in 2001 by Chinese lawyer and art collector Liu Gang, who says he did not realize its significance until reading a book by a British writer who claimed a Chinese admiral beat Columbus to the punch.

Gavin Menzies, author of the bestseller “1421: the Year China Discovered America,” says Admiral Zheng He led a fleet of 30,000 men aboard 300 ships to the American continent in the 15th century to expand Ming China’s influence.

“This map embodies information I believe will help us understand Zheng He’s seventh voyage,” Liu, who bought the map for $500, told a news conference.

“The map shows us the Chinese explorer has been to America years before Columbus. The map also shows us the Chinese understanding of the entire world.”

Yet whether Zheng, a Muslim eunuch known to have sailed as far as southern Africa, beat Columbus to America by more than 70 years is bitterly debated.

Some academics point to a score of inconsistencies in both the book and the map, saying, for example, the map uses language that does not fit the style of Ming China.

“I’m inclined to think that it’s a fake,” said Geoff Wade, a visiting senior research fellow at the National University of Singapore. “There’s absolutely no evidence that the Zheng He voyages went anywhere past the east coast of Africa.”

Historical records show that from 1405 to 1433, Zheng, under the orders of Emperor Zhu Di, led China’s imperial Star Fleet on seven epic voyages.

Now, Zheng’s voyage was being used by the Chinese government for political purposes, as a way of showing the country’s rising power would not threaten its neighbors, Wade said.

“Zheng He is being pushed all over Asia as part of the Chinese foreign ministry’s foreign policy, with the statement that Zheng He’s voyages to Asia and beyond were peaceful,” he told Reuters by telephone.

Liu, who showed only a copy of the map, saying the insurance company would not let him take the real thing out of its bank vault, is convinced of its authenticity and says even Jesuit missionary Matteo Ricci based his maps on Zheng He’s.

Ricci is thought to be the first person to draw a map of the world for the Chinese in the 1500s.

Liu says he believes his map could lead to more evidence supporting the claim the Chinese discovered America.

“I strongly believe that other maps exist, that other books exist but people may not see their importance,” he said. “I published this map to wake up those men.”

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Posted: 16 January 2006 11:16 PM   [ # 6 ]
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*Starts to get a strange sense of deja vu*

Umm…this is beginning to sound like the Vikings map of America.

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Posted: 16 January 2006 11:19 PM   [ # 7 ]
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Ah ha!  The Chinese sailed to northern Europe and got the map from the Norse!  It all makes perfect sense now!

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Posted: 17 January 2006 08:50 AM   [ # 8 ]
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And the Norse got their maps from the aliens who built the pyramids.  It’s all coming together.

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Posted: 17 January 2006 07:18 PM   [ # 9 ]
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once they start referring to Zheng leading China’s “imperial Star Fleet” I think my brain turns off just because that sounds too sci fi. Sounds like a combo of Star Wars and Star Trek. Does this bug anyone else?

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Posted: 17 January 2006 07:38 PM   [ # 10 ]
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well the guy was a eunuch, he must have had plenty of time on his hands :lol:

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