My son had the ‘fortune’ to be approached by a well respected former teacher about joining Quixtar. I’ve looked it over and it seems to be junk, but there is no telling HIM that! Yikes.
They (Quixtar) are getting ready to start selling their newest premium product: Perfect Water:
(Sorry. The presentation is in flash, no pdf available ‘at this time”...)
The gist is that their water has extra Oxygen restructured into it in such a way that it doesn’t just get released as soon as you take the cap off! (Oh, and don’t forget the trace minerals! Gotta have those!)
OMG. Did you read the FAQs???? What a load of poo. I see a false advertising suit coming their way. So, by taking just a swig of this crap you are supposed to be IMMEDIATELY more flexible and more balanced. I call bullshit on this one.
The gist is that their water has extra Oxygen restructured into it in such a way that it doesn’t just get released as soon as you take the cap off! (Oh, and don
The gist is that their water has extra Oxygen restructured into it in such a way that it doesn’t just get released as soon as you take the cap off! (Oh, and don
I don’t understand how you can microstructure, I mean how would you do it? I think the water molecule is pretty well structured in itself, how can you change it?
Purified- ok fine, but most water is purified that people drink.
Remineralized-Sure why not.
Ionized-Whatever that means
and Oxygen Rich (With proprietary MBO technology)-Yeah ok, I think I get plenty of oxygen from breathing. What is the point of having extra oxygen in your water? We aren’t fish.
I’ll stick to my city punch, it has never failed me yet, and it is like 90 something cents for 1000 gallons.
I can’t imagine just what they are doing to water that is supposed to produce the advertised results that hasn’t been tried already. It sure sounds like a *perfect* scam to me.
By the way, Dave, how much did your son have to pay to join in this great venture? It might be worth it (but probably not since he seems to have his blinders on) to point out that if you have to pay to get a job it’s usually not a good thing.
Well, as far as actual science behind the thing goes. . .
Purified
That’s a good thing for drinking water. It’s also standard for any drinking water. Nothing particularly special about that.
Remineralized
They’ve added in some electrolytes. That’s nice. Again, this is nothing special, though. And it’s funny that they make such a big deal about how the water is all carefully filtered and purified to get out all the stuff that’s not pure water and go on and on about how having all the extra chemicals removed makes Perfect Water so wonderful and healthy because it won’t “gunk you up” with additives. . .and then they make an equally big deal about having added impurities to it.
And I like how in one paragraph they proudly declare that this water contains “magnesium, potassium, calcium, and electrolytes too!” Apparently they are unaware that magnesium, potassium and calcium are three of the main electrolyte ions in the body. . .
Ionized
Ionizing the actual water molecules themselves makes no sense. Water molecules do spontaneously break down into ions such as H+, OH-, H3O+, and OH- every now and then, but it’s only something like one or two out of every billion molecules that do that, and it doesn’t really last long as it’s a reversible process that tends to remain at equilibrium.
What is very common is an ionized solution with water. Basically, that’s what all the water we ever deal with is. All the tap water, rain water, bottled water, ocean water, and all those other waters we ever come in contact with have ions of other chemicals dissolved into them. Pure water doesn’t have those, but then pure water is generally only found in some laboratories. So really, having water being “ionized” can be said to be the normal condition of water. It’s not anything special.
So saying “ionized” is basically this company saying again that they’ve added electrolytes and other minerals to the water. They’re just saying the same thing twice, with different words.
One other possibility is that by saying “ionized water” they mean that the water has been used to ionize other molecules, as water does have the ability to ionize covalent bonds and turn a molecule into two ions (e.g.: HCl + H2O—> H3O+ + OH-). But again, that’s nothing new or special.
Microstructured
This makes no sense at all to me. Here is their “explanation” of the process:
“Some call it science, others call it pseudo-science. The only thing really certain is that there is no certainty among the scientific community on microstructuring. . . .While we have and will continue to engage in scientific research because we believe in it, we know what our customers tell us which is that they can feel the difference with our water.”
So in other words, even they say that they have no idea what it is. Reassuring.
Above the molecular level, liquid water has no fixed structure. And if you re-structure the molecules, then you get something other than water. The only logical means I can think of to “structure” water is to freeze it. So they’re saying that they’ll sell you ice cubes?
and Oxygen Rich (With proprietary MBO technology)
Okay. . .water does, of course, already contain oxygen. Pure water would have one-third of its composite atoms being oxygen, although as I’ve already said we’re not likely to see pure water anywhere. Ordinary water with the usual solution of H2O and a scattering of other odd chemicals mixed together could very well have some more oxygen atoms bound up in those extra chemicals. All of these oxygen atoms are going to be bonded, though, since oxygen is very reactive and you basically never find individual oxygen atoms floating around alone in nature (even if you had a tank filled with nothing but oxygen atoms, they’d combine with each other into molecules of paired atoms).
They also claim that heating or cooling the water won’t have any effect on its ability to contain this extra oxygen, which is rather strange seeing as how raising the temperature of a water solution reduces the amount of gases that can be dissolved in it.
So there’s really no way to have free oxygen mixed into water long enough to have it bottled, shipped, and sold, especially seeing as how they claim a shelf life of two years. You have to bind it to other molecules. And bonding oxygen to water molecules gives you hydrogen peroxide, which is not something you want to go around drinking lots of.
A few other little odd things I noticed on their website:
1) Perfect Water will flush out fat. — Any fat that is already a part of your body is not going to be in any position to be “flushed out” by water you drink. Besides, fat isn’t water soluble.
2) “Many of our customers do report that drinking Perfect Empowered Drinking Water
A plethora of weasel words, a veritable cornoucopia of ‘seem’, ‘might’ and ‘our customers believe’, all extolling the virtues of this miraculous substance that is virtually indistinguishable from swamp water run through a coffee filter without making any concrete claims. By carefully avoiding any semblance of conviction, this cunningly-worded marketing scheme carefully avoids any semblance of being convicted.
I contend that a swift kick to the crotch ‘might’ possess the EXACT same health benefits as this water. Further, I plan to offer it absolutely free to anyone who asks for it.
We need to start a rumor that ‘microstructured’ means ‘having passed through the urinary tract of a walrus’ to keep people from pulling more of this crap.
1. Everyone apparently didn’t do well in their High School Chemistry class, and failed Googling as an elective.
Do a simple two word search on “water” and “microstructure” and you will find some interesting scientific papers.
Also, there are also several ways to ionize water. One way would be to expose the water to a strong ultraviolet light, the result would be to kill any pathogens in the water. Another would be to add a trace of table salt to the liquid thus enabling the water molecules to disassociate easier.
As for adding oxygen to the water, I’ve no idea what process Perfect Water may use, however they do say that they don’t inject it. So, it’s post probable that they are attaching the oxygen to the water molecule making O2H2, a weak form of peroxide. Medical Peroxide is only 3% active and is very good at destroying any pathogens it comes into contact with. There is a sizable number of people that include oxygenated water in their daily diet and believe it has been beneficial to their well-being. I don’t drink oxygenated water, or even buy bottled water, but that doesn’t mean there’s not some health advantage.
Everything aside, the site does not make any medical claims, and further states: “This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.” So, where’s the hoax?
2. I was also struck by the glee that this poor son’s mother attacked his desire to build a business of his own. I suspect if he’d wanted to market any product, she’d be down on it like crazy. Walk down the aisles of any drug store or super market and see what kinds of premium water are being sold for $1.99 a bottle, the same price as the Perfect Water. And it is being sold by the carload. Bottled water is now the second largest beverage consumption category in the U.S., exceeded only by all soft drinks combined. The fact that I buy almost no bottled water does not change the reality of the market. It’s there and it’s big.
If a person wanted to have a business that had a huge ready market, bottled water of any kind is a good one, and premium drinking water a better one.
If a person wanted to get started in business (not be an employee) I don’t know where one could do it for under $100. So, the Quixtar/Amway plan is a good one. At worst, he will get a good grounding in Business 101.
3. Finally, the negative nit-picky way everyone dog-piled onto a subject that they don’t understand with their own suppositions and name calling reminds me of driving down the road with a bunch of crows perched on a wire cawing like crazy. Do you suppose all that noise makes a bit of difference to what I may be about? It’s just noise… and a poor use of good oxygen.
Quick question for you.
Are you affiliated with the product being discussed, at all?
1) Because the ‘you are all clearly not good at science, otherwise you’d understand, but I shan’t cite anything to prove you wrong in any way’ defence is generally used by those defending their own product.
2) His father (did the fact that part of his username is ‘Dave’ not give you a hint?) is concerned because the young man is seemingly getting involved in what is basically some sort of pyramid scheme. What you may ‘suspect’ is neither here nor there, frankly.
3)
Finally, the negative nit-picky way everyone dog-piled onto a subject that they don
1. I think you will find that many of the folks on this forum are highly educated their own selves. (Especially Accipiter…) True, the site doesn’t make any claims, but it DOES imply them pretty darn heavily! Not only that, but this is coming from the offshoot of a company known for it’s , shall we say, shady business practices. (Do some googling of your own on AMWAY and quixtar. You will find a long list of people financially and mentally destroyed..)
2. The ‘son’s mother’ didn’t strike out with ‘glee’ as you so aptly put it. To our son, she was clm and rational. Not only does she want to see him succeed, she and i have done everything in our power to help him to do so. The problem she sees with ;this; particular business is that it is impossible to get them to tell you how much money you are going to be making. They sell dreams, and then give you a bunch of rhetoric when it comes to ‘how’. And quixtar charged our son 495 dollars to get started (and after a month, they still will not tell him how much he will make….) They ARE real keen on his buying self-help cd’s and such at 10 bucks a crack though.
#. People come to their forum of their own free will. I posted this because I am trying to find a way to explain to my son how this ‘wonder water’ is just water. My question to you, is how are YOU personally invested in this? Could you possibly be another poor soul caught in the IBO turnstyle. If you are, I refer you to their own website which states that the average IBO makes roughly 18 bucks a month. (Look it up. I’ve been there once, and once is one times to many.)
Best wishes on your drive. If you don’t want to hear what these ‘crows’ are cawing about, why did you come?
Enjoy your visit.
(...offers Not a warm cookie and a glass of 2% milk, hoping it will improve his disposition…)
I am not affiliate with this water in any way. I got here because this site came up an a Google search I was doing. I found that this whole thread wasn’t about hoaxes, but a bunch of nay-sayers and grousers.
I am not affiliate with this water in any way. I got here because this site came up an a Google search I was doing. I found that this whole thread wasn’t about hoaxes, but a bunch of nay-sayers and grousers.
You sound very much like someone that ‘wants to believe’ though. Here at the forum, critical (by that I mean sound, logical, investigative) reasoning is highly encouraged. When we see claims that list all sorts of benefits and “wonder breakthroughs”, we get, well, skeptical.
If, in your searches, you find any facts to back up their claims, we would be glad to hear them. But, if you have looked at their site, there are very few facts given. What you see above are the responses of people that see this kind of thing on almost a daily basis. If you look back through the previous threads, you will see all sorts of ‘miracle products’ listed (along with a few things we throw in for humor.) Few or none have any basis in reality. Some are so hokey you can’t believe that anyone would take their products/claims seriously! (Yet it seems some folks are so desperate they will believe anything...)
Here at the Forum, (it is my understanding that) no one is asking you to believe anything. However, we are encouraged to look for the facts behind the rhetoric for ourselves. Quite often, the folks here will go to great efforts to find out about the products/producers and the facts behind their claims.
My son has been told repeatedly that “This is Big. Major.” And yet he still can’t find out how much money he will make if he sells 100, 1000, or 10,000 dollars of the stuff! If it is water, great! There’s nothing wrong with selling bottled water. Lots of companies do it. (Some drawn straight from the tap…) But don’t tell us it is ‘magic’ water. Be honest. Please.
Do a simple two word search on “water” and “microstructure” and you will find some interesting scientific papers.
Indeed, you will find interesting scientific papers. There’s a nice one about the microstructure of marble (nothing about microstructuring water itself there), another on the microstructure of fuel cells (nothing about microstructuring water itself there), another on the microstructure of zinc film (nothing about microstructuring water itself there), some on the microstructure of sediment layers in water (if that applies to this Perfect Water, then so much for their claims of filtering!), microstructure of epoxy (nothing about microstructuring water itself there), microstructure of aluminum (nothing about microstructuring water itself there), microstructure of water-quenched steel (nothing about microstructuring water itself there), microstructure of quartz (nothing about microstructuring water itself there), and so on and so on. There are some that do discuss an actual microstructure of water, but these are in conditions that would not apply to a bottle of drinking water that you buy in a store (such as when you run a very high voltage through water to cause the water molecules to arrange in a certain way). In the first twenty pages of Google results for that search, this is the only example I could find of any paper that may be discussing an actual structure of water under ordinary conditions. Unfortunately, I couldn’t read the article as it’s one you have to pay for. From the abstract, though, it seems to be just a review of other papers on the subject, so there’s no telling if it or those other papers are in favour of the idea of water microstructure, against it, or even what sort of water structuring they’re talking about.
I could find a few websites about water microstructuring. . .all run by bottled water companies.
So if there are all these tons of scientific papers supporting the idea, why don’t you share them with us? Where is the evidence? Show us an example of water microstructuring that would be applicable to bottled water.
You can’t give liquid water any sort of a long-term structure above the molecular level. After all, there’s a reason why the word “fluid” means both “a liquid” and “constantly changing”.
Also, there are also several ways to ionize water.
Indeed there are. As I pointed out. They just don’t make any sense in the context of this product. They’re either something that’s common to all water you buy, or else methods that wouldn’t be applicable to a bottle of water.
One way would be to expose the water to a strong ultraviolet light, the result would be to kill any pathogens in the water. Another would be to add a trace of table salt to the liquid thus enabling the water molecules to disassociate easier.
Neither of those methods gives you a bottle of ionized water molecules.
First off, definitions of “ionization” and “dissociation” when referring to solutions. From Rayner-Canham and Overton’s Descriptive Inorganic Chemistry, 3rd ed: “The term dissociation means separation, and is used when a solvent such as water separates the ions that are present in ionic compounds”. And “Solution in water results in ionization, the breaking of covalent bonds resulting in ion formation”.
Water is a polar molecule. The atoms form a sort of V-shape, with the oxygen atom forming the angle (it’s something like a 106
As for adding oxygen to the water, I’ve no idea what process Perfect Water may use, however they do say that they don’t inject it. So, it’s post probable that they are attaching the oxygen to the water molecule making O2H2, a weak form of peroxide. Medical Peroxide is only 3% active and is very good at destroying any pathogens it comes into contact with.
And which is not healthy to drink, either. Nor would drinking an antiseptic all the time be good for you, as it would mess up your natural intestinal microflora.
There is a sizable number of people that include oxygenated water in their daily diet and believe it has been beneficial to their well-being. I don’t drink oxygenated water, or even buy bottled water, but that doesn’t mean there’s not some health advantage.
Nor does it mean that there is. After all, plain ordinary water is healthy, so you’d expect drinking water to have health advantages.
Everything aside, the site does not make any medical claims, and further states: “This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.” So, where’s the hoax?
They never say that it doesn’t do all sorts of marvelous stuff, and make little indirect hints that it does. Plus, there’s all the stuff about flushing out fats, being calorie-free yet giving energy, dubious processes such as microstructuring and MBO technology.
2. I was also struck by the glee that this poor son’s mother attacked his desire to build a business of his own. I suspect if he’d wanted to market any product, she’d be down on it like crazy. Walk down the aisles of any drug store or super market and see what kinds of premium water are being sold for $1.99 a bottle, the same price as the Perfect Water. And it is being sold by the carload. Bottled water is now the second largest beverage consumption category in the U.S., exceeded only by all soft drinks combined. The fact that I buy almost no bottled water does not change the reality of the market. It’s there and it’s big.
And I’m struck by the way in which you interpret his mother worrying about him getting caught up in a scam as some sort of domineering plot to keep him from success. Nor would he be “building a business of his own”.
If your son was offered a job with no specification of any sort of pay or health plan or benefits of any sort, selling a product that has many strange and dubious claims, would you not be concerned?
If a person wanted to have a business that had a huge ready market, bottled water of any kind is a good one, and premium drinking water a better one.
In this case, though, there’s no indication that their son would even get anything out of the deal.
If a person wanted to get started in business (not be an employee) I don’t know where one could do it for under $100. So, the Quixtar/Amway plan is a good one. At worst, he will get a good grounding in Business 101.
Where are you getting the idea that this is “starting a business”? It’s not. It’s being a salesman.
If a person wanted to get started in business (not be an employee) I don’t know where one could do it for under $100. So, the Quixtar/Amway plan is a good one. At worst, he will get a good grounding in Business 101.
I just found out today about the existence of “Perfect Water.” After reviewing the website, I too was amused by the omissions and inaccuracies contained therein. Being a well-educated American, (which sadly seems to be becoming more and more the exception nowadays) it was easy to start picking it apart. I found this forum by googling for more info and took the time to read through this thread.
My opinion is that this “Perfect Water” site has been designed to make their water appear hip, cool, and fun. This is an excellent and intelligent way to market a product, since emotion tends to be a much stronger decision maker than logic. Also, a lot of people checking out the site will either overlook or entirely miss these omissions and inaccuracies. Basically put, the site is designed to be so simple that anyone can easily follow along without feeling overwhelmed and inferior. Even so, I believe, as I’m sure you all do, that this is no excuse for doing a sloppy job. Perhaps this is just a rushed “first pass” job to get something up in a hurry, since the product is about to start shipping. Let’s hope so for the sake of what’s good.
The flexibility test the site refers to appears to be an effective marketing ploy, but not entirely relevant. If you do the stretching twist test the first time before drinking the “Perfect Water,” you will obviously be at your tightest. As I see it, no matter what you do next, an immediate repeat of that stretch will necessarily be easier, now that your body has “warmed up.” It would be more relevant if you waited, say, 10 minutes before sipping the water and doing the stretch test again. If there was a marked improvement in flexibility after that, it could be significant… but a lot of people don’t have an attention span long enough to wait 10 minutes.
As I see it, in the end the proof is in the pudding. Since this product will be available exclusively through Quixtar, if you try it and it doesn’t ring your bell, you can send the rest back, postage pre-paid, for a prompt and full refund. If it turns out to be a crock and enough people exercise this option, Quixtar would certainly shut it down in a hurry.
Regards,
Chicken Salad
<- Sorry, no cool tag line, just deep thoughts 😏
Well, considering that the whole method of making any kind of (laughable) money off of Amway/Quixtar is NOT selling their products, but rather recruiting more “salesmen” , the (pseudo)science behind the product doesn’t really matter, now does it?
The only people who seem to actually purchase Scamway/Quixtard products are the ones who are suckered into buying the “starter package” in order to become their “independant” distributors.
:roll:
Dave, tell your son to do a google search on them, please!
Hi Calotta,
*sigh* we have, but he refuses to believe anything but what the company tells him. I’m worried about him, especially since he currently has no other job (he *is* looking, and has put in several applications) and the only other income he has is his military disability. He’s tried this water and swears it works, but I think it’s like a lot of other things, in that he *wants* it to work, so has convinced himself that it *does* work.
Looking at the website, and all the science that the brainier types have posted, I’m pretty sure it’s a crock. I just hope my son doesn’t get so entrenched in this that he loses everything, like some other Quixtar/Amway salesmen have.
Me too. Luckily, he doesn’t yet have much to lose. And while we are supportive of him to an extent (in other words, we hope he will do well, but don’t really expect it in this venture) we aren’t in a position to help him financially. So he can’t hit us up for cash to buy CDs, books, or to go to conferences.
Wow i was ready to shoot this thing down too, but some rep i ran into at the gym had a bottle of this stuff and it was crazy!!! He did this demo on me and it actually worked. this thing is amazing, and the funny thing is it also only took 1oz of water to do the demo for balance and flexibility. I also found some demos on youtube, just search perfect water. if you guys ever see someone with this water in the streets, see if they could demo you…its crazy!!!
Okay…so, I was approached by a quixtar business owner about this perfect water. It sounded really great at first, like it was something special. I’ve taken basic chemistry classes before, and have a basic knowledge, but not enough to really know whats going on with this stuff. You guys have covered a lot of the claims, and have explained them REALLY well, debunking them. But what about this one I found? Especially the part about it being ionized into smaller packs? Is that the whole NaCl being added to break up the water molecules? Are they just trying to make it sound all fancy so that people didn’t know what it all means?
Why Does It Work So Fast?
Dr. Chuck Goldberg, a business associate, just explained the science behind this amazing water. He answered the question, “Why does this water work so fast?”
If you drink any water, especially if it is different from your body temperature, you will feel less fatigued. This Perfect Empowered Drinking Water implements the best in technology to date. As mentioned in the last blog, there are five reasons that set this water apart from others: 1. It is filtered 15 times and uses ultraviolet technology to remove pathogens & bacteria. 2. It is remineralized with minerals that are physiologically balanced for most human beings. 3. The water is increased to pH level that is mildly alkaline 9.0. 4. It is ionized into smaller packs for better hydration 5. It is enriched with molecularly-bound stabilized oxygen.
After drinking this water there is a dramatic change in flexibility, strength, and balance in a few short moments. The water goes into the stomach and intestine and gets into the blood stream through these membranes. So after a few heart beats there is an amazing physiological change within the body particularly in the muscles.
There are also several medical benefits from being properly hydrated, here are two: 1. Hydration helps with arthritis. 2. A properly hydrated skin gives anti-aging benefits. There is no mystery why this works, it is physiological. http://www.squidoo.com/perfectempoweredwater
Why Does It Work So Fast?
Dr. Chuck Goldberg, a business associate, just explained the science behind this amazing water. He answered the question, “Why does this water work so fast?”
If you drink any water, especially if it is different from your body temperature, you will feel less fatigued. This Perfect Empowered Drinking Water implements the best in technology to date. As mentioned in the last blog, there are five reasons that set this water apart from others: 1. It is filtered 15 times and uses ultraviolet technology to remove pathogens & bacteria. 2. It is remineralized with minerals that are physiologically balanced for most human beings. 3. The water is increased to pH level that is mildly alkaline 9.0. 4. It is ionized into smaller packs for better hydration 5. It is enriched with molecularly-bound stabilized oxygen.
After drinking this water there is a dramatic change in flexibility, strength, and balance in a few short moments. The water goes into the stomach and intestine and gets into the blood stream through these membranes. So after a few heart beats there is an amazing physiological change within the body particularly in the muscles.
There are also several medical benefits from being properly hydrated, here are two: 1. Hydration helps with arthritis. 2. A properly hydrated skin gives anti-aging benefits. There is no mystery why this works, it is physiological. http://www.squidoo.com/perfectempoweredwater
Well, that narrows down what they mean by “ionised water”. It’s not water that’s going through electrolysis (which is pretty obvious anyway, since you’d need to have huge battery packs attached to the water bottles). It’s not autoionization of water. What they mean by “ionized water” is simply that they dumped a bunch of chemicals into the water to be broken up. Which is not only the usual case with any water, but also conflicts with their whole “it’s pure water, with all the extra stuff filtered out!” claims. As for how this breaks up the water into smaller “packs”. . .that just makes no sense at all. They’re breaking up the chemicals that they’re adding to it, but it’s all the same amount of atoms. Personally, I think the whole “smaller packs” thing is just some new buzzword intended to sound impressive.
They also give us a peek into their wondrous MBO oxygenating technology here. They let us know that the oxygen is bound into molecules (well, that’s not much of a surprise, but at least now we know that they’re not trying to claim that they have lots of loose oxygen floating around in it). So basically, they’re saying that they have molecules that contain oxygen in their water. Hmmm. . .what is water, again? Oh yes, two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.
I stumbled across this forum while looking into this “Perfect Water.” I am glad I did. Crafty Dragon & DavePrime, if you would please direct your son to this post, perhaps I can share with him some real life experiences.
I am 26 and a father of one and another on the way. My wife is a dietician, and I am merely a man who has been involved in various business and have finally found one that makes money. Unfortunately for your son, Quixtar was not this business. In fact, I have met several Quixtar reps in my day and have yet to meet these Super Diamond, or Ruby or whatever members that “live the dream” as they preach. Sad really. They charge you around $245-$795 to get started, and then it is up to you to host parties and get other people to join up under your banner, which is truly just trying to “build a pyramid.” Nothing has changed since Amway, people, it is just a new fancy name and now they use the internet.
If you want to change your life and drastically alter how you buy things and what you buy, you *might* be able to make *some* money from Quixtar, but certainly not an income to support a family. Also, their products are not any cheaper as they say, so you don’t save anything, really. Their marketing concept is an outdated form of affiliate marketing, really. PLEASE don’t waste any more hard earned money with Quixtar… They will KEEP pushing those cds on you, and ask you to come to these conventions. On these CDs and at hese conventions, all they do is TALK. TALK TALK TALK! Never doing, never showing, just talking about motivation and making money, but there is nothing concrete. Ever seen those IBM commercials? There’s a bunch of people sleeping in a big conference room, and they are “ideating.” They say, we need this and we need that, then the guy that comes in the room says, how are you going to do that? The gal’s response is, “I don’t know, we haven’t ideated that yet.” It is JUST like that!
An old Quixtar buddy sent me an e-mail last night about Perfect Water. He said, “you will line your pockets with an extra million dollars this year if you understand what is about to happen!” What a line, right?! After researching this water, and watching thee videos, it baffles me that intelligent people can buy into these “tip tests.” Good golly! Fact: If I stretch, then stretch 2 minutes laters, I will be able to stretch further. Fact: If I do ANY physical activity, then drink some water afterwards, I will feel better.
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To respond to some:
Japino808 - You sound like a quixtar rep. Please post constructive and informative things on a place like this, not propaganda jargon. If you are not a rep, and want to convince people of your point of view, bring relative, informative, and factual data (THIRD PARTY PLEASE!) to the post so that people can gain an understanding of where you are coming from.
Lily81 - I am sorry, but your post was clearly a copy and paste job. Please see above.
Don’t have your son do a google search on Quixtar. Just let him know this: I am an honest hardworking individual. I am an excellent salesman and a very intelligent human being. If there is money to be made from something, I can generally make said money. With Quixtar, you have to not only sell a product, but sell you, your time, and your entire way of life to someone else, and convince them to change everything they know, buy your products from your site, then tell them they need to give you a setup fee so that they can recruit people to do what they just did. Oh, and by the way, if you get in a bind and ask your “upline” for information on how to help grow your business, they will point you to CDs, tapes, or conferences. Bah!
Back in the early 90’s, there was an ad in the local papers where I lived. The ad looked like this:
“Want to make over $1,000 a week and not do anything?!”
“Call 1-900-555-XXXX”
When you called the number, there was a recording that said, “Do what I did.” Then it hung up. It’s like the same concept. Get a 900 number, tell people to call it so they can learn the secret of wealth, and guess what? It just says to do that exact thing! Get a 900 number and tell people to call it! My word, what marketing genius!
The thing is, with knowledge at our fingertips, (the internet) it is a bit harder to get these things past people. So why do people keep eating the crap that is served to them if they know it is just crap on a paper plate?
Thank you Maze. Welcome to the forum, I hope you stick around.
I wish we could get through to our son. All we can do is be patient, I guess. Thanks for the cogent, well worded post. This is what I was looking for when I posted about this “perfect empowered water’. They just added the empowered by the way. *sigh*
As to why folks eat this stuff up, I don’t really know. Maybe we all want to be affected by a liitle bit of ‘magic’ in our lives. (or something like that.)
I noticed that we were 15th on the google search, btw. I expect the IBO’s will soon be coming out of the woodwork…
(...gets his spray out and begins to spray the foundation cracks…)
It just pains me to hear about real people who need real solutions that take to this Quixtar thing. I wish these reps would be more honest. I don’t call it a con or a scam, but the reps never give all the information necessary to their new recruits. They paint the dream for their new recruits, then give them brushes and paint and say, “Here, paint the dream for others.” My qualm is, how can someone paint a dream and swear that it will happen that way when they, themselves, have no experience or evidence to back anything up?
I spent over $1,000 on two different stints with Quixtar, and it just never really produced anything for my wife and I. Who wants to host a quixtar party until 11:00 at night when they have a 10 month old, another child on the way, an 8am - 7pm job, and tries to have some semblance of R&R;in their lives as well?
Listen, if you are young, have money, and want to change your life and spend a WHOLE LOT of time convincing others to change theirs, then maybe Quixtar is for you. It’s not my bag. I’ve tried, it just doesn’t work like they say. If the advantages were more, like say, products at 50% off that were shipped to you or something, I could understand. It’s just not that way. Quixtar sells you quixtar products, they are overpriced, in my opinion, and I hate to say it, (I REALLY DO!) but I can go to Walmart and get the things I want, when I want them, spend the same or less, and I didn’t have to pay $500 to be able to shop there. Oh, and by the way, that price was for a one year IBO membership. So I gotta’ renew this thing every year?! Wow.
Maybe I’ll join Quixtar if I can get 25% off all gas purchases, buy my son’s coveted pampers, my wife’s favorite food items, and do it all without having to call my up-line to pick it up through them, and have this service without having to pay several hundred dollars to start, I will. Despite what any IBO says that is reading this, I assure you, I have been with Quixtar twice with two different up-lines, and nothing worked that way. Oh to the person that says, they don’t know of a way to get started in business like Quixtar provides: You can get a life & health insurance license for under $200, and begin to sell insurance through American Income Life Insurance Company, for example, which is a good, legit, turn-key insurance business that can make you tons more than Quixtar could dream. Sure you work tons of hours, but as an old friend and teacher once told me:
“Ain’t nothin’ easy, ain’t nothin’ free. If it is, it ain’t worth it, I promise.”
Welcome to the forum, MazeMoney, and thank you for your honest posts. Hopefully they will help to dissuade people from signing up for that scam. 😊
Agreed. Always nice to hear from the voice of reason. The only ones who make any money on these things are the *executives* who run the thing… They *do* make millions. Some day, perhaps, they’ll close the loopholes Quixtar/Amway/Etc are using. They’ll shuffle around a bit, and come up with a new business plan that exploits something else..
More insight for the mother of the son that is in Quixtar - hopefully helpful.
Hello. Im new to this forum and it is exactly as I expected it to be. I also believe that it is not easy to make money with Quixtar and Quixtar is not a “get-rich-quick” business. That could be why. I was in the Navy for 6 years and attended the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, majoring in electrical engineering. So, I do not have a huge chemistry background, beyond 4 semesters at the academy, but I do have a pretty darn good background in Physics and Electronics, etc… AND common sense. When I got out of the Navy in ‘03, I started my own computer business and now do everything and anything that has to do with computers and internet - including building websites. Oh, and I a can write poems that can make many people cry. (but never liked english/lit classes) A couple years ago, I also started a construction company. So, as you can imagine, I am a busy person, single and working 7 days a week to maintain those businesses - but making plenty of money.
In ‘03, I ALSO became a Quixtar IBO… under my parents who were under my younger brother. My parents owned a few busnisses, too and worked a lot. I attended some meetings and product demos and all that. I do think the products are good quality, but they are harder to sell than the cheap Walmart brands, because of price and the lack of “need” by consumers. So, I really didn’t get into it. I just “mentioned” the bussiness to a few clients and friends and only a couple got in, too. So, I realy didn’t make much money… like maybe $500 for the year. It only costed me like $50-60 per year (like a Sam’s Club membership), which really aint that much money. So, I just renewed every year, eventhough I wasn’t getting rich. I just did my taxes for last year and I think I made around $100, net.
Since I was so busy with my “real” businesses, I just didn’t have the time to put into Quixtar. That’s my excuse. (I am in that average $115 per year income for IBOs - that Quixtar states in small print) It is definitely an effort-based outcome. My little brother (married, age 27), has not ordered or sold anything for 3 years or so. So he makes $0. On the other hand, my parents are Platinums in the business and bring in anywhere from $4,000 - $7,500 per month and a couple years ago, sold all their “real” businesses and retired, except for Quixtar. They do it as a hobby now and make pretty much the typical amount for Platinumsand get sent on all kinds of trips, etc. (In case your son wants to check on them, they are Bruce and Elaine Bork, from Minnesota - St. Cloud area). So, it worked for them. I will not work for all people and is not EZ.
Im not sure why your son had to pay $495 or $475 (whatever the amount was), but i do know that Quixtar is just a company and that there are like 4 or 5 or 10 other marketing networks that are contracted with Quixtar to sell their products… That’s how it works. Quixtar makes the products… other marketing organizations sell them. Some of those organizations require a new IBO to buy a certain amount of products when they get in and some don’t (like the one I am in). The minimum cost to get in is (I THINK) $58, give or take 5 bucks. I just don’t know th exact amount, since I have not signed anyone up for a couple years. However, I know that the company does some promos, like if a new IBO buys a Sample Product Pack for $35 or 40 or 50, depending on which pack they choose, then they can have free shipping for 3 months and have the opportunity to earn $50 more per month for 3 months, if they reach a certain (small) volume of sales in that given month, etc. But, just to be an IBO is only about $58 (covers company registration and admin costs - stuff like that) No IBO makes money by merely recruiting people.
However, being an IBO, you are able to get everything at wholesale, which makes the prices a little more attractive, IF you feel like you want to use those products. Then it would make sense to be an IBO, instead of a client, to save the money. If you buy enough to save more than the $58 annual fee, then cool beans. Right? Like Sam’s Club. The organization I am in is one of the more religious ones. But, I do not go to church or care to. Many others in the Organization do really get into the religious aspects of it and say “God bless” and thank their creator, etc.. at the meetings. But, that is definitely not why I am in it. Im just there to save a little money and maybe make a little. My mom, on the other hand, is VERY religious. More power to her. So, I learned, you just take out of the business opportunity what you feel you wanna.
Now.. the WATER!! Since that’s what this forum is about. Over the past few years, I have NOT been very enthusiastic about the Quixtar products. Hence, the income I made. But, this water is really a whole different ball game. Okay, it IS water and claims to NOT cure, treat, etc. That’s not the point. Just like a telephone and a cell phone are both phones. But one of them can do a heck of a lot more than the other. Cell phones were a new idea way back when and some didn’t think it would change the world much. But they did. This water, is WATER. And it is also different than other water. I do not claim to know how it is made, but whatever way it is made… it does make a person’s body react (almost instantly) very positively. I would know. I have a bottle. Our Diamond (higher than Platinum) gave each Platinum one bottle to use for demos until April 1st when the water starts shipping. But they gave me the bottle, since my parents were on vaca in Mexico at the time.. lol and of course, I had to sneak a few tests out of it. And it works very well. I already have “pre-sold” over 20 cases, just based on me giving a couple of my computer clients a 1 oz. test shot. and doing those tests. One even said he
Wow.. long post. a little wordy, maybe… either way.. I don’t think that lady should try to “save” her son, until she checks out the business in an unbiased way and actually tries the water.. because it DOES do the stuff it says. I don’t have time to retype everything I typed on the previous post , but if that lady or her son or anyone else for that matter wanna call me or email me.. they are more than welcome to. Then you can ask me any questions you have about Quixtar, Perfect Water, computers, internet, websites, construction products or the meaning of life.
By the way, I am aldo running for President (of the US) in 2016. - no lie. Fix health care, taxes, fuel, environment, etc.. using the most powerful tool in the world.. common sense. :o)
No. You are not going to give out your phone number and email here. If someone wants to contact you they can do so via the PM service on the board and the information can be exchanged privately. Thank you. ~Tah
Pretty much just gets a bunch of oxygen into your body where it is lacking and possbily raises your body’s pH a little or something… guess ya gotta read the website FAQs at drinkperfectwater.com - or call me if you wanna talk to a real person.. The best test is to just actually try it.. and decide for yourself.. not what negative blogs say.
One guy felt a rush of “alertness” in his body.. (last for 3-4 hours).. and one lady’s pain inher knee went away, that’s she’s always had for years.. but those ar not medical claims.. just experiences.. Most people WILL see a significant improvement in flexibility and balance and one guy even increased his 65 pound curl max from 16 to 21 reps…. in just a couple minutes. Anyway.. I don’t have time to give a bunch of examples.. try it for yourself and decide.. a bottle is only 2 bucks. gotta go fix computers now…later!
As a friend of mine once said when he discovered that one of the girls on a camping trip up in the Highlands, upon learning that she’d blown a substantial sum of the budget on drinking water:
“You spent our money of f***ing water? Water comes from the tap! See over there, the stream? Water, bloody water and it’s free. And you PAID for it?”
Nate, I have removed your email address and phone number from your previous post. If someone wants to contact you they can do so through the Private Message or Email function in your profile.
Due to the nature of this thread I am not going to let an admitted IBO give out their contact information openly on the board. Or anyone, for that matter. Thank you for understanding. (Plus it’s just not smart. Especially with some of the people we attract around here.)
So I can’t reveal that if someone wants to contact me they can do so by contacting FAKE NAME, FAKE STREET, Lennoxtown, Scotland, or by telephone on +44 PHONE BOX?
Bugger.
Edited, as you may be able to tell. But I hope future readers will see it and go “Huh, I wonder what hilariously plausible false information was here that might have had Ultralord or BigLieTechnique or some other loony calling a phone box in Scotland to at best get a builder or jakey answer it and from there a wonderful comedy would ensue.”
right.. but this water does something for you that regular water doesn’t. same reason people buy Coke. That’s pretty much all water, and sugar with some flavor. Buy those amounts in store.. and it costs you 2 cents. So why buy Coke? Why buy beer when you can make it yourself? Because they do soemthing for you.. Coke has caffeine and tastes good or bad, depending on who you are.. beer gets you drunk.. and sometimes tastes good. It’s more convenient to buy it than make it.. but this water.. DOES something for you.. and it’s cheaper than most other premium waters, which can’t do what this does. Just my thought.
Thanks Tah…. eventhough.. I was not trying to sell anything to people on here… just help that one lady possibly understand what her son is thinking.. But that’s cool.
Renquist, I don’t know whether you really posted your information or are having a bit of fun and posting made up (or someone else’s) else’s information, but please remove it from your post. Or I will if you’d really prefer that I do it.
Renquist, I don’t know whether you really posted your information or are having a bit of fun and posting made up (or someone else’s) else’s information, but please remove it from your post. Or I will if you’d really prefer that I do it.
Do you really think with the loons around here that’s my real phone number or that’s a real address at all? Certainly not my real name. Only part of that which is plausible is Lennoxtown is real.
And it’s nobody’s phone number, matter of fact it’s a phone box on Buchanan Street which I use for practical jokes.
Honestly. I’m insulted you’d think I’d post real information on the internet! And the part of the internet that’s a candle to the mania moths!
Seriously, people aren’t automatically going to assume that it’s a fake address etc., and we can’t let some people post that and not others. 😉
Best they’ll do is call the number and get a jakey answer it on Buchanan Street. Not actually sure why they’d want to contact me in the first place since I’m not suporting or selling anything :lol:
Honestly. I’m insulted you’d think I’d post real information on the internet! And the part of the internet that’s a candle to the mania moths!
Actually, I didn’t think you would post your real information. (Though I could argue that you did post a real phone number since it does go to a phone - just not yours.)
And, frankly, I’m insulted that you would post any kind of information like that - real or not - after I expressly stated that I wouldn’t let anyone do so in this thread (or on the forum) and would edit it out if they did.
We can speculate, we can see it tested on someone else, or we can take the tip test ourselves.
See Perfect Empowered Water working at http://www.perfectwaterblog.com
Tah. I have the feeling we should probably close this thread. We have pretty much fully discussed the water and its claims. All we are going to get now is a bunch of IBO’s defending their product and saying to check it out.
