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Sovereign Citizens - a legal dissection.
Posted: 30 November 2013 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Bumbling about the internet, I found a lovely bundle of joy in the form of a Canadian judge outlining the Sovereign Citizen concept in exacting detail.

You may remember the ‘fun’ that was had when one such came here after I reposted his rant {‘Furry Conspiracist Rant’).

The judge calls them Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Argument litigants (“OPCA litigants”), as there is a broad spectrum of such individuals and groups.

Long, but worth a read.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html

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Posted: 08 December 2013 03:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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That’s probably the best outline of the theory I’ve read.  He does lay it out pretty well doesn’t he.

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Posted: 09 December 2013 06:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Yeah.. the one thing I did find interesting is that he could find NO case in which such techniques had held up in court, which means that the complicated procedures and the like are for the benefit of the person selling the idea to gullible clients…

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Posted: 18 December 2013 10:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Well, to be fair, I think he was only looking at Canadian case law.  There may be an instance in another country where it worked.  I doubt it though.

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Posted: 28 December 2013 01:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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No, I think I recall he was also examining the US cases as well, though they weren’t cited or referenced the same as the Canadian ones were, as it’s a Canadian legal document.

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