@opijoe discussion on the
Can you give us statistics on whether or not the use of a firearm instead of other instruments in a crime would have no impact on the severity of injuries or on the number of deaths? I can’t believe attacking people with a knife would generally cause the same amount of injury and death compared to the same person being armed with an assault rifle.
Good points and excellent discussion on your observations Gray - no disagreement from me.
Peter…. I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination… just exploring both sides of the discussion (with a heavier emphasis on the “support” aspect of firearm owners since I am one).
The stats I got from Wiki showed rampage killers using tools like knives, swords, machete, club, etc.
Frederick Moses McCallum, 19, Jan. 30, 1969 Buffalo Narrows, SK Canada killed 7 wounded 1 by melee weapon
Wirjo, 42: April 15, 1987 Banjarsari, Indonesia 20 killed 12 injured by melee weapon
Maksim Kiselev 27, Feb. 26, 2008 Orton, Russia killed 6 wounded ? by melee weapon
Damian Karlik/Kirilik 38, Oct. 17, 2009 Rishon LeZion, Israel killed 6 wounded 0 by melee weapon
Arsenio Formentera, Jan. 28 1968 Palompon Philippines killed 17 wounded ? by melee weapon
Domingo Salazar 42, Oct. 11 1956 San Nicolas Philippines Killed 16 wounded 1 by melee weapon
David Malcolm Gray 33, Nov. 13/14 1990 Aramoana New Zealand Killed 13 wounded 3 by melee weapon
Bai Ningyang, 18, May 8, 2006 Shiguan China 12 killed and 5 wounded by melee weapon and arson
Wu Huanming, May 12, 2010 Linchang, China 9 Killed 11 wounded by melee weapon
Kiichiro Nakamura 36, Sep. 7, 1954 Toyotsu, Japan 8 killed 3 wounded by melee weapon
...and these were just a few of the ones listed. There were quite a few more listing firearms since that particular tool is VERY efficient at killing and injuring.
I don’t see a link to the source of the above statistics. I guess I’d have to say it is a meaningless list in that it isn’t contrasted with figures for deaths from firearms.
I found a chart in the Bureau of Justice that shows a weapons comparison by type for 1976-2005 (U.S.)
That one seems interesting.
and this breakdown:
Obviously this is reflects the U.S. proliferation and availability of firearms.
The above one seems interesting. (Sorry for being “repetitive”. Statistics wasn’t my favourite subject at university)
For a more worldwide report (I find it interesting that North America does NOT lead this list.):
Close enough to the top of the list to be significant.
And probably these stats are most responsive to your post:
I find these graphs to be misleading. They treat both “Homicides by other means” and “Homicides by firearms” as homogenous sets of data. I could easily argue that only “Homicides by fireams” is homogenous while “Homicides by other means” represents the sum total of various other means of homicides (and therefore not homogenous).
As I said earlier: dead is dead regardless of the tool… and people will use whatever tool is available…
Telling stats in support of this theory:
Percentages of what figures? These pie charts can be seen as misleading depending on which variables have been accounted for. Which page did these pie charts come from?
source document: Linky (LARGE PDF)
I’ll try reading this pdf document when I have more time.