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“American Radar brought down failed Mars probe Phobos-Grunt”
Posted: 18 January 2012 04:05 AM   [ Ignore ]
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In an effort to cover their ass, some Russian Space officials are trying to blame (in Cold War style) external powers for the failure and subsequent highly publicized re-entry of Phobos-Grunt, the Russian space-probe that should have gone to Mars but failed while still in Earth Orbit. They first blamed the US “HAARP” facilities in Alaska, and next (when that was easily debunked - Phobos-Grunt did not pass over Alaska until well after the rocket engine failure) they try to blame a US radar at Kwajalein.

A good debunking of these Russian conspiracy ideas can be found here:

Jim Oberg (who also gives a good summary of the issue)

Ted Molczan (showing that the Kwajalein radar cannot have targetted the asteroid 2005 YU55 and in that way unintendedly zap the passing space probe at that time

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Posted: 18 January 2012 05:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Might as well blame the Mars Curse. Considering that a LOT of probes to Mars have failed, the place has got to be hexed. Probably by alien sorcerers. Wearing funny hats.

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Posted: 18 January 2012 08:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Well, at least they didn´t blame us, who don´t excist, for it.

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Posted: 30 March 2012 06:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Well, if radar can bring down satellites, and we are knocking their best stuff out of the Martian skies, how come they are not retaliating in kind?

Dan the healthy skeptic

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Posted: 30 March 2012 06:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Of course, after lengthy review, I realize pointed hats and such could very well have a role in all this.

Dan, hiding his pointy-hat

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