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Posted: 02 March 2011 07:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 89 ]
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handsomeguy123 - 01 March 2011 02:23 AM

. . . the idea of the people in Denmark being the happiest.

You really need to try to actually read the study. . .that link I provided is quite short and simply written, and it tells exactly how you’re off the mark in your whole

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Posted: 02 March 2011 08:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 90 ]
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Okay, to back Acci up (not that he really needs it):
Here is a link to the WHO’s report from 2008 (though it looks like some of the numbers have been updated since then) on the rate of suicide by country.  According to the list, Lithuania is rated number one, with 31.5 suicides per 100,000 people per year.  Denmark, at number 40, has 10.6 suicides per 100,000 per year.  That’s lower than the US and Canada, with 11.1 per 100,000 per year and 11.6 per 100,000 per year, respectively. 

Granted, there are quite a few countries with lower suicide rates, but 10.6 per 100,000 yearly really isn’t that many people. 

Seriously, dude, look at, read, and understand the reports you’re quoting.

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Posted: 02 March 2011 08:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 91 ]
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Crafty Dragon - 03 March 2011 01:05 AM

Seriously, dude, look at, read, and understand the reports you’re quoting.

That seems deeply unlikely.  rolleyes

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Posted: 02 March 2011 08:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 92 ]
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I know, but one can hope.  Also, I’m wondering why exactly he’s so fired up about this.  I think that the other guys are right: he just had a bad experience there and now wants to make Denmark seem like a horrible place that no one would want to live in or visit.  All of which makes me want to go visit it! LOL

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Posted: 02 March 2011 08:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 93 ]
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Crafty Dragon - 03 March 2011 01:26 AM

I know, but one can hope.  Also, I’m wondering why exactly he’s so fired up about this.  I think that the other guys are right: he just had a bad experience there and now wants to make Denmark seem like a horrible place that no one would want to live in or visit.  All of which makes me want to go visit it! LOL

Ah ha!  It’s reverse psychology!  He’s secretly working for the Danish Tourism Commission!

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Posted: 02 March 2011 10:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 94 ]
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Accipiter - 03 March 2011 01:28 AM
Crafty Dragon - 03 March 2011 01:26 AM

I know, but one can hope.  Also, I’m wondering why exactly he’s so fired up about this.  I think that the other guys are right: he just had a bad experience there and now wants to make Denmark seem like a horrible place that no one would want to live in or visit.  All of which makes me want to go visit it! LOL

Ah ha!  It’s reverse psychology!  He’s secretly working for the Danish Tourism Commission!

By way of the now defunct Polit-bureau!! surprised  LOL

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Posted: 03 March 2011 09:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 95 ]
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handsomeguy123 - 02 March 2011 01:51 PM
LaMa - 02 March 2011 12:21 PM

Both Acci and me have shown in our previous posts that you totally misrepresent the actual statistics.

I’m afraid you haven’t. Look at post #54. I have added a printscreen of the article. You are the one who is denying the factual evidence. Everyone can clearly see the factual evidence and documentation, so i am afraid that your name calling and accusations won’t help you much. Just like denying the evidence won’t help you either smile The rest of your post isn’t really worth anything except a couple of childish insults, which i am not going to take participation in. That is a bit below my level. And the articles revealing that the citizens of Denmark living in the middle of the worlds cancer capital, as well as the article revealing that Denmark is the country in the world, where most citizens have to leave the labor market because of mental illness is done by OECD and WHO, respectively, and contradicts your delusional idea of “Happy Denmark” completely. The evidence is now widely available for public access, and i am quite happy and satisfied with my work. I can withdraw as the happy winner smile Thanks for participating, and have a nice day.


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And you, look at my post #60 in which I show that you simply cannot read! Or do not want to read properly. Because the article you linked does not say what you claim it says!

I’ll repost it again:

It says nothing of what you pretend it says. It says that 1 in 4 of the people applying for incapacity benefits do so because of mental problems: not 1 in 4 of the general Danish population as you pretend.

Same for the

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Posted: 03 March 2011 10:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 96 ]
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Notinteresting - 02 March 2011 01:20 PM

The anti-American comments pervading this board on every side are a bit perturbing.  I’d just like to point out the original poster is clearly not American, as his writing is full of grammar mistakes a native speaker would never make.  Furthermore, he clearly implied an anti-US bias in his early references to the “American media” (not that Americans are pro-everything America).

It is very easy to make ignorant and superficial comments about people from different cultures and countries, usually based on a few bad experiences (I’m including posters on both sides of the issue here, especially the original poster and LaMa).  Those experiences are just that: isolated, individual events, which may or may not be related to larger trends and statistics.  It’s also important to note that in these situations, it is easy to resort to saying that all people from that group are bad in some way.  It gives a quick and immediate satisfaction to be able to strike at others so easily and deeply with so little effort.  I believe this is one reason racism is more common among less-educated people, perhaps because they are unable to think objectively about the reasons for their dissatisfaction and thus lash out at the most immediate and surface-level characteristics of their perceived enemy.  I know its trendy to hate the US, but all this “all you Americans are like this” talk is generalization and does nothing to open useful dialogues.  It really reminds me of the anti-Semitism that has become almost acceptable in recent days, especially since the financial crisis.

On a side note, this strangely turned into a debate about the US healthcare system, something which again was not included in the original posters comments (he talked about bad Danish healthcare, not bad universal healthcare.  Somehow the assumption that he was American turned the conversation towards “my country/culture is better than that one” again).  There are many studies as well as papers by prominent economists showing that the issue is far more complex than stated here, with many, many tradeoffs (Thomas Sowell’s articles and books provide many well-researched examples).

There have been too many clearly incorrect statements to list them all, but an example is that “healthcare in the US is only for the few.”  This is clearly not true, as the majority have health insurance, including all children under 18, all people below a certain income level, and all elderly above a certain age.  The actual argument is about people who are above the health insurance “poverty line,” but for whom getting insurance would still be a hardship.

But my basic point is to request that you all please stop making generalizations about all the people in other countries.  That kind of superficiality is too easy and too hurtful in this amazingly interconnected day and age.

Since I am mentioned in this, I’ll react:

First: it was the OTS who started with an extremely negative portrayal of another nation & ethnicity. It is the anti-Europeanism of the OTS that annoyed the hell out of me.

You call me anti-American. I am however, like many Europeans, simply fed up with the anti-European attitude displayed by a vocal group of Americans on the internet, who have no real clue about the world outside the US, yet feel the need to proclaim about that world outside the US in ways that are often very derogatory. And these people go from the basic assumption that things are always better in the US than outside of the US and the US is top of the world in everything (and hence the rest of the world should do as the Americans do). Which is simply incorrect.

As a European, I am fed up with that kind of nonsense. My comments are aimed at the particular vocal group of Americans I mentioned: and to open their eyes, I in turn critique aspects of US society, which in the view of the rest of the world isn’t really always that great a nation, sorry to say that.

The problem is, that people like you automatically denounce any critique on the USA as “anti-Americanism”. That however, is as stupid a generalization as denouncing any country (or President) who gives a crap about social-economic equality as “socialist” (or even “communist”).

I’ll keep criticasting US society as long as the vocal group of Americans I mentioned are displaying their attitudes towards other countries on forums like these. And the more sane segment of the US population will be well aware that my critique on aspects of US society is not the same as “anti-Americanism”. You won’t see me screaming for the erradication of America from the globe, Ahmedanijabad style. You will see me wish for America as a nation (and people like the OTS) to develop some more self-deprecating abilities, and some more realistic insights and attitudes towards the outside world.

The problem with Americans and the USA “as a nation” is that it seems to lack any self-deprecating abilities: in terms of its position and role in the World, it is something most Americans apparently can’t. It’s always “we are the greatest!”, “God’s own Country”, and “the rest of the world can’t match us on any aspect” as soon as the focus turns outwards of the US. And you do not seem to be able to see the relativity of this. And yes, I am very well aware that not all Americans are like this, on the contrary: but as a nation, you really signal this message acrosse the world (and this is the reason why people in the rest of the world sometimes get annoyed with you, which you then denounce as “anti-Americanism”).

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Posted: 03 March 2011 10:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 97 ]
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(cont’ued from above)

So if you as an American are perturbed by “The anti-American comments pervading this board”, go to the source, which is yourself: and develop better self-deprecating abilities, as an American.

Because the source of the critique on America and attitudes displayed by Americans on this forum, is your and your countriesmen’s lack of self-deprecation, and your negative attitudes towards other countries and other cultures. The OTS is an example of this, and you really can’t blaim Europeans like me when we respond with critique on anti-European drivel like this.

anti-European comments like the ones spouted by the OTS are as perturbing to us as “anti-American” comments are to you. With the difference that I dare to claim that the critiques we Europeans have on aspects of US society, have more solid ground in facts than most of the anti-European comments of Americans, as the latter usually have no basis in facts at all but are born out of ignorance (the OTS-es posts being an example).

Who knows, in developing some national self-deprecation, you might find that the “anti-American” critiques often are actually quite valid critiques of aspects of your society. Or at least, come to the realization that values differ around the globe, and your American values are not always shared by other nationalities on this globe (nor should they be!). 

That said, I am quite sure that me as a Dutchman and Americans like you share more values than I share with,let’s say,  Kim Il Jong, Ahmenadijabad or Muammar Khadaffi. Yet, you call me “anti-American”. No: I am critical of aspects of the American society and notably the attitudes a considerable part of Americans display towards the world outside America. But as a whole, I can find myself at friendly terms with Americans and the USA very well (heck, I even had an American girlfriend for a while!).

I would never want to live there though. For a short while: perhaps. Forever: definitely no.

By contrast, I can see myself go living in Denmark.

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Posted: 03 March 2011 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 98 ]
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(cont’ued from above)

To clarify: the reason I brought up the things in my two post above, is solely because you (Notinteresting) brought it up: and because the OTS posted a very negative anti-European post on another country which is not based in any facts at all, to begin with (i.e., he displayed the attitude I described, and am highly annoyed with).

And given the role the Scandinavian model plays in these discussions, I strongly feel that the OTS did post his topic related to internal US political discussions around Welfare issues (e.g. Health Care). Chaps like O’Reilly etc. are continuously railing against the Scandinavian model, denouncing it as “socialist” and trying to “prove” it is bad, from some very twisted “evidence” - just as the OTS tries to do.

I remember O’Reilly pronouncing dramatically in one of his shows: “Do you want to become like Sweden!?”. Like Sweden is some kind of North Korea or something.

Scandinavia-bashing is part of the mindset and tactiques of O’Reilly and his minions. I am quite sure the OTS is one of them, given his extremely unrealistic portrayal of Denmark. Guys like him fill forums like this with their drivel, in the hopes people start to believe it.

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Posted: 03 March 2011 03:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 99 ]
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Comments that are anti-American:
“Death to the United States!”
“Kill the Americans!”
“Overthrow the American government!”
“Annihilate the American way of life from the face of the planet!”

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Comments that are critical of certain aspects of American society:
“I think that our health care system is better overall than the American system.”
“I prefer Asian and European movies to American movies.”
“The average life expectancy in the US is lower than in many other countries.”
“The American government spent twelve billion dollars on counterclockwise widgets.  I think that that was too much.”

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There is a difference between anti-American and just being critical of some part of something American.  The former means that you want to act against America.  The latter means that you’re either explaining why you prefer something that isn’t American, or even that you’re just trying to make America better.  I doubt that even the most patriotic American has nothing critical to say about something American.

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