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Do you think that the current fears of global warming may help the economy or destroy it?
I think the economy will be entirely destroyed 2
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Posted: 13 December 2009 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]
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As pointed out in another global warming thread, the United States has been and is still the greatest contributor to accelerated global warming that began with the industrial age not so very long ago. 

Along with the Copenhagen Summit to end on Friday, there have been demonstrations to press that this one country in particular make dues available to poorer countries to assist in what is coming. 

While it is true that the United States’ advancements in both industry and in technology have played the heaviest factor, I also believe that the strides forward begun here have benefited millions of others around the globe.  I also believe that the same creativity that has caused so much damage to the globe and put many at peril can also be used to save it. 

I believe that even while this creativity summoned by the greatest minds can not only save the globe’s physical problems, but can also produce more jobs.  Where there is a need, and I feel the entire world is in need, invention begins. 

To Silver, if you click on your area of the world, you can readily see that cyclonic activity is a product of warming (you had sort of asked this before). 

Great Interactive global map for temperature rise of 4 degrees - click on areas of interest to see various impacts

I’d also like to add a little note:  While I am a U.S. citizen, I didn’t live here when this supposedly began to bloat.  Even after and during the building of this problem (and I’m sure I’m not unique) I was not in a position to contribute to the problem either having little access (if at all) to heat or air conditioning and certainly not to vehicular travel.  About the only problem I gave really to anyone was living on the precipice of survival for decades much to the fear of my family far away.

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Posted: 13 December 2009 12:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Huli, that is only if you believe in alarmist notion of AGW. hmmm

The debate is still VERY much out on that.  In fact, many people are looking at the “adjusted” data and finding that they are several degrees warmer than the reported temps for no real reason, other than a database wide “up” adjustment done by AGW proponents.

Not only that, but as Acci and Lama have pointed out, there is little evidence that this warming period is in any way different than the last half dozen upticks in temperature seen during the current geological period.

As you can see here>

I DO believe that the current push for cap and trade, and carbon economies would most likely lead to a world-wide communistic style gov’t body.  Alarmists want to “punish” us for our prosperity and make us pay “reparations” to poorer countries.  Socialism on a world-wide scale.  And then, in ten years, when the promised calamities fail to appear, we will be well and truly stuck. (and Screwed.)

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Posted: 13 December 2009 04:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Dave, I think you need to move on from the ‘Watts up with That’.....which IS totally aimed to alarm.

I DO believe that the current push for cap and trade, and carbon economies would most likely lead to a world-wide communistic style gov

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Posted: 13 December 2009 05:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Meh, personally I’d say that having only those two choices are kinda misleading.  I lean towards the idea that any effect that humanity has had on our climate over the past century is rather insignificant compared to global climate change on the geological scale.  I’m not so egotistical to think that we can single-handedly destroy the planet.  I believe that we do have a responsibility to curb our effect on the world around us and to not destroy things just because we can.  However, I do not feel that requires us to abandon any advances we have made or to require anyone to suffer now in order to combat global warming.

Any serious climate change in the coming years more than likely will happen regardless of what we do or do not do either way.  That’s the way things have happened since long before we came along.  More in line with the original question - I do believe that we need to pursue new technologies and renewable resources (solar, wind, nuclear) which will in turn create more jobs and hopefully have a beneficial effect on the world economy.  All the doom and gloom that people love to predict I’m sure will fail to happen.

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Posted: 13 December 2009 05:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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hulitoons - 13 December 2009 09:50 PM

Dave, I think you need to move on from the ‘Watts up with That’.....which IS totally aimed to alarm.

I DO believe that the current push for cap and trade, and carbon economies would most likely lead to a world-wide communistic style gov

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Posted: 13 December 2009 06:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Do you really think the citizens of the United States would simply accept that Dave?  Do you believe we, as a mass are so utterly weak and complete idiots?  That if our government officials would even appear to agree to complete and destructive surrender that we, the people, the citizens would permit such a state to occur? 

No fool in their right mind would allow that kind of passive surrender.  That we should help other countries in need is something we have been doing for many years, even fighting horrendous battles for them with great loss of sons to us in foreign lands and we are STILL doing this, not because we have to, but because if we do not stop aggressions from proceeding in foreign lands, they will finally reach our own shores, and because we have the ability, the military technology to protect innocents.  That is who we are, the United States citizens (I’m sure other agendas move into place however). 

I do understand Right Wing alarmists who keep their agendas by fostering fright and terror in the minds of many Americans and they will always use this as their chief tool.  But you and I and all the rest would pick up arms and stage a coup before we permitted ourselves to fall to the kind of passive surrender you are talking about. 

Nor would it [surrender without a fight] be able to trickle into place either because we have continued in recent years to remove politicians who engage in actions that put us in peril.  We can do this because we have access to better and faster information, BUT we also have to filter that information carefully.

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Posted: 13 December 2009 07:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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hulitoons - 13 December 2009 11:57 PM

Do you really think the citizens of the United States would simply accept that Dave?  Do you believe we, as a mass are so utterly weak and complete idiots?  That if our government officials would even appear to agree to complete and destructive surrender that we, the people, the citizens would permit such a state to occur?

What, exactly, do you think the deal they are pushing for in Copenhagen is all about?

High taxes on Carbon.  A “Punishment penalty” (reworded to make it more appetizing, of course) against the west, transfer of ungodly amounts of money to third world countries, cutting emissions to pre-industrial levels within 50 years, and the ability to enforce said restrictions.

Look it up.  It IS scary…...

ETA: You can find it :

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/documents/un-fccc-copenhagen-2009.pdf

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Posted: 13 December 2009 07:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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You might want to take the time to look at This excerpt from a much longer presentation HERE of Lord Monkton’s speech in St. Paul this fall.

I have read that treaty and what it says is this: that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to Third World countries, in satisfaction of what is called, coyly, “climate debt”

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Posted: 13 December 2009 07:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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A word from…...

   

Obama’s 1-world government
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Posted: 13 December 2009 10:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Dave, Lord Monkton???  As in from ‘Prison Planet’ and
Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest Al Gore Anti-climate cult crusader calls for world to rise up against communistic killers behind global warming fraud http://www.prisonplanet.com/lord-monckton-shut-down-the-un-arrest-the-warmist-criminals.html

Are you kidding me?

and .... Chuck Norris?  My gosh, for as cute as he was (actually still is), he had very few lines even in his movies and relied on surrounding actors for dialog while he did the fancy stunts….........he’s not the brightest but blonds usually aren’t (okay, I’m sterotyping)  I’m going to rely on his dubious opinion? NOT

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Posted: 13 December 2009 10:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Yes, Lord Monckton, as in:

Lord Monckton served as a policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher. He has repeatedly challenged Al Gore to a debate to which Gore has refused. Monckton sued to stop Gore’s film “An Inconvenient Truth” from being shown in British schools due to its inaccuracies. The judge found in-favor of Monckton, ordering 9 serious errors in the film to be corrected. Lord Monckton travels internationally in an attempt to educate the public about the myth of global warming.

So tell me, have you even taken the time to hear what he had to say, or did you just blow it off the moment you saw who it was from? hmmm

I ask sincerely, because there seems to be some kind of disconnect going on here. 

-There are folks out there who know the science comparing the temps from known stations to the numbers used for the reports that are finding that there has been apparently rampant changes made to the temp readings due mostly to unnecessary adjustments that seem to have been made merely to boost the supposed rise in temps.

-The emails, taken in context, point at collusion to exclude others from the debate and refusal to release data, at the very least. 

Let me ask you another question, If it were proven beyond a doubt that the data has been corrupted and there is no real rise in temp (beyond what is considered by a majority to be normal variation) ,what would you say?

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Posted: 14 December 2009 06:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Because Dave, I don’t need e-mails, the internet, tv or radio to tell me what is happening, how it’s happening, why it’s happening or even who is causing it.  It’s happening and that’s all that counts:

1.  Erik is a marine biologist whose associates do continual research all over the world in various fields of animal, and botany studies.  I am privy and have been to alarming studies marking vast shifts that even in the deep waters have changed the attitudes of animal movement caused by rising temperatures that have changed water ‘river’ movement and great plant and algae growth that are killing surface marine life and/or forcing them to deeper levels over massive global areas.  Erik has been doing coral reef studies for several decades and the decline in just these became alarming well before Al Gore ever presented himself.  This has been a growing concern to him and his associates because the rising temperatures in those areas has been accelerating for many many years.

2.  The polar icecaps and glaciers are melting too quickly.  The animals who rely on heavy ice for life have not even had time enough to adapt and are dying.  The melt is so accelerated that we can even see the results without time lapse.  Permafrost areas in northern regions are likewise melting too quickly turning the grounds into bogs which again expose dangerous chemicals that were once safely ensconced.

4.  Because the history of my family has been that of farmers and we are spread around this entire country from coast to coast, I have been kept abreast of growing and planting patterns, crops dying of rot because of too much rain and heat year after year after year; and changes in insect populations.

5.  Even on my own, after so many years of life, I can see and feel the change in temperature patterns in my own immediate area.

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